The SKA-Punk episode

Last Updated on September 11, 2023

S01 E27

It’s summer, so we’re doing a Ska Punk episode! Join Dr Sam and Andrew Culture as we wander down a slightly off-beat memory lane of peppy music!

This episode has many brilliant anecdotes, especially around the punk scene of the late 90s and early 2000s, including our adventures in German squats and the generosity of touring bands. It’s not nostalgia; it’s a celebration!

SAM’S PICKS

• Operation Ivy – Bad Town
• The Gadjits – Traffic Tickets
• CapDown – An A-Political Stand of Reasons
• Streetlight Manifesto – Here’s to Life

ANDREW’S PICKS

• King Prawn – People taking over
• The Big – Don’t count me in
• Citizen Fish – Back to square one
• Inner Terrestrials – War

Riffs of the week
Sam: SLW cc Watt – Be the Bones
Andrew: Burst – Slave emotion

Bands mentioned in this episode:

• Asian Dub Foundation
• Terrorvision
• Baba Luck
• Once Over
• Sonderschule
• Lightyear
• Reel Big Fish
• Leftover Crack

Show links
The Big – Whatever makes you happy

Interview with Ed Rome from The Big

Capown Wikipedia entry

Hilariously inaccurate podcast transcript

00:00.00
Andrew Culture
A cool kids welcome back to beat motel podcast and we are a replete set of humans today. Dr Sam’s here

00:13.16
Dr Sam
Almost I’ve got some skin I left on and some gravel earlier not not in a Matcho way but a sounds matcher but on a match away. Ah I think an O fuck.

00:16.30
Andrew Culture
Yeah, so you fell like you fell off your bicycle did you squeal I think in these times I’m sometimes quite surprised that I either go manly and go or like.

00:31.60
Dr Sam
But it’s hard. It’s hard to be that manly when you’re in micro.

00:34.80
Andrew Culture
Squeal in a very high pitched way he um maybe not well concussion I’ve giggled earlier. Yeah this this is a music. Ah this is a music podcast a promise and our theme today your share today’s theme Dr Sam.

00:49.27
Dr Sam
Today we’re talking about skypunk ah starpunk which is a music both loved and hated but it’s also because it’s still summer. Well it’s almost summer still here in Finland but because it’s still summer.

00:53.80
Andrew Culture
This capunk.

01:08.00
Dr Sam
And we’ve been doing a lot of metal stuff recently we thought it might be fun to sort of go down scarpunk lane because the punk is ah to me associated with summer music. Really really.

01:19.25
Andrew Culture
See I’d never really never thought about that. But yes scar is it’s quite up. It’s quite kind of cheerful. So if we had what what would like deep winter music be I’m asking you because you live in Finland.

01:27.53
Dr Sam
And up up up. Ah almost yeah, maybe something that sounds you know, maybe some really brooding like. Rachman or or something like that some romantic brooding dark sort of stuff. Um, just actually it’s It’s a well romantic as in romantic movement rather than romantic as in, you want to fornicate.

01:48.81
Andrew Culture
I Like that you added romantic.

02:01.20
Andrew Culture
The nuance of fornication. Did you say.

02:05.81
Dr Sam
More romantic as in. There’s ah the artistic movement of romanticism rather than the the fornication movement of romance of the romantic.

02:15.40
Andrew Culture
Um, ah fornication. Wow what a great word anyway, let’s start with a riff of the week starting well that it were done 2 minutes Don and a half minutes so we’re not really got into the music yet. So let’s start with your riff of the week which I’d like you to introduce because the the title.

02:18.80
Dr Sam
Starting Well starting with.

02:31.87
Andrew Culture
Have you got it written down. Do you want me to say it.

02:32.60
Dr Sam
So ah, I’m finding I can’t remember what the first guy is called so.

02:36.49
Andrew Culture
Okay, well the the title is Sl w cc what and the track is be the bones so SlW what who’s that because it’s a blood weird title and I didn’t think I’d be able to find it but I did.

02:47.88
Dr Sam
Um, sl w is Dr Sam lock ward and what see is Mike what the legendary basis who yeah.

02:58.33
Andrew Culture
A always one have a little cheer when we hear Mike Watt’s name.

03:05.13
Dr Sam
Ah E minute men and his own stuff and the latter day stugges. Um and he is a lovely loving man and and he always has time for everybody and he’s really, he’s like he’s what you they say? don’t meet your Heroes meet my flo.

03:23.93
Andrew Culture
Excellent, right? Let’s have a bit of be the bones.

03:24.57
Dr Sam
Is cool.

04:00.99
Andrew Culture
I Was quite surprised that was your choice I wouldn’t wouldn’t place you as that type of music at all that sort of almost liverpool beat pop.

04:08.77
Dr Sam
oh oh yeah, yeah among the Beatles certainly stick out in a frame of reference in that for me. Um I know what you mean? Ah, but I love a bit the Beatles and um.

04:15.21
Andrew Culture
Um.

04:25.99
Dr Sam
I Really like the vocals on that I Really like the the hook it be the bones I Really like the hook. Um, and I think it’s a really nice chilled out piece of music and really really nice piece of pop.

04:29.98
Andrew Culture
It’s just quite.

04:37.53
Andrew Culture
I think as well because they drink we we’re kind of dubbing this as our summer our summer celebration episode I think that was quite a nice summery little track. So well I’m going kind of the opposite direction. Really.

04:49.80
Dr Sam
Where are you going.

04:56.80
Andrew Culture
Although I think it’s joyous as fuck but this is a band called burst now Dr Sam and I saw burst never heard of them but we saw them at hellinki see I’m starting to call it hellinki to emphasize the two l’s in it.

05:00.26
Dr Sam
Oh yeah.

05:11.78
Andrew Culture
Which is a festival in Finland we reviewed a few episodes ago and if you haven’t heard the episode. Go listen to it but burst just really impressed us so this is a riff from a song called slave emotion.

05:56.71
Andrew Culture
He he some riffs it just made me so excited and so pleased and just want to punch a ah burrito or something I don’t know I trying to think something you could punch the would have no aggression at all. But that riff that completely just caught me like a.

06:08.85
Dr Sam
So.

06:15.45
Andrew Culture
Ah, haddock to the side of the head when I first heard that track because what is it is what I can’t even figure out how they’re playing is so strange. But so bloody brilliant.

06:19.41
Dr Sam
It’s ah so.

06:23.30
Dr Sam
I Think well it sounds to me like a thrashrift but it’s all about to me. It’s like the propulsion of the drums is like there’s this endless sort of like it’s just moving forward. It’s like a fucking locomotive in that aspect and you’re waiting for it. The drama to sort of in the guitars to. Back and then give this big riff and I but I haven’t listened to that song because ah, ah, frankly I went out and bought the vinyl and waited for it in the post and I refusing to listen to it visually and um because you know that’s that’s just something I want to do at the moment and.

06:53.71
Andrew Culture
Um.

07:00.88
Dr Sam
Um, it’s you’re just and this but this was the thing that hit me about bursters that they sort of get you into this thinging and you’re going and if you’re reading the music like you normally do you’re going to go. Okay, that’s going to build into like this really big ah sort of. Big op Epic chorus and I’m not sure if ever does because what they were so good at live is sort of going. This is what this is a riff and you sort of understand the music of that riff. But it’s not where ends up isn’t not where you space of it to go. So.

07:31.58
Andrew Culture
Just but it ticks so many boxes for what I like about I don’t know if I can call that experimental music or not I suppose you can because it isn’t verse chos verse score as middle 8 double chorus end when we saw them alive we’ constantly just go whoa. Didn’t see that coming but it all makes sense I mean you can just.

07:41.51
Dr Sam
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

07:49.12
Andrew Culture
And some of the music I’ve made I had a review that said you never quite know where the music’s going to go and there are interesting things that get dropped into it. That’s just because I’m shit at composing. It’s not It’s not a deliberate thing. Um, but that yeah they go burst but let’s move on to some scar because I think I think. I’d quite like to do an interview with Burstt Antony I wonder if they’d be up for it because they’re swedish aren’t they but well at least this the singer certainly speaks english they’re all swedes but well we will we so we heard the singer speak english um on stage.

08:10.36
Dr Sam
Je now they were speeds I think will speeds. But the sweeds build speeds and a lot lot of the nordic people speak English with a very in a very flirt manner.

08:26.49
Andrew Culture
Go say before we go I have you seen what Bur is this burst. They not new band they be seen boat What they look like when they were assigned to relapse they I would not know it’s the Dr Same band honest to God they look. They look so young. Look.

08:36.10
Dr Sam
Love.

08:45.35
Andrew Culture
Oh like like children like because there’s the guitarist with long hair. Um, and the other guitarist looks like someone I know called Richard Howe who who works with the bbc here inuffol I mean like really looks like him to the fact it was weirding me out when we saw them on stage but the yeah the longhaired guitarist.

08:48.40
Dr Sam
Um.

09:03.16
Andrew Culture
It’s got really shorthand he he looks he looks about twelve years old it’s obviously that that Nordic living in sunlight but are you looking up pictures of him now.

09:13.95
Dr Sam
I’m looking at pictures of them now and what we do expect it. Don’t don’t look I gonna make a joke dirty joke. But no.

09:24.72
Andrew Culture
Ah, like I Relo this band called prolapse and when the internet first came along I soon found out an image search was a mistake right? Let’s go on to the first of our choices anyone who’s not listened to this show before we get four choices each and we can play 30 seconds of anyone and the 30 seconds is so that we don’t get done for licensing. Um and the reason no no, the reason there’s there’s 4 tracks each is the software using which is called Zencastr you get 10 slots with things you can drop in. So.

09:45.26
Dr Sam
Because we can’t afford licensing.

09:58.64
Andrew Culture
The week for reach and god umm explaining this in painful detail. It’s not going to enhance the enjoyment of anything right? Your first choice I’m gonna play it and then I’m going to ask you to tell us what it is.

10:00.87
Dr Sam
And.

10:41.87
Andrew Culture
What was that Dr Sam.

10:45.24
Dr Sam
That was operation ivy ah or op ivy with bad town is the now ah legendary band who sort of maybe I don’t know they did but in my head they did invent the. It’s called third wave of scar park or something like that and um or the second wave and they were late eighty s californian band Berkeley Dr Same scene as green day and. The guitarist and the main singer on that track is Tim Armstrong who is the front man of rancid and it’s not actually a track I ever liked that much but my friend when I discovered them when I was 14 my friend toby. Was the track that he attached himself to and so thinking of Toby it’s what I wanted to hear today because he’s gone and he’s not with us anymore and it is a song he loves because I think he was a moody teenager in a town. He didn’t like. I think that’s a song it speaks to all moody teenagers in towns. They don’t like.

11:58.87
Andrew Culture
I Love that it’s kind of a really straightforward reasoning I was really surprised by this because I mean my my punk license should have been revoked many years ago but I know operation Ivy from the t-shirts like you still to this day see a lot of people at gieks and operation Ivy t-shirts.

12:10.50
Dr Sam
The the. But I I think that I think the the record stands up but you know the ship production. It’s one of those ones that you can listen through the ship production of.

12:17.49
Andrew Culture
And because I knew come.

12:27.62
Andrew Culture
Yeah I don’t think it’s too bad but Scar Scar doesn’t suffer from thin production in a way that something like doom metal would you know thin doom metals just kind of point this it just sounds like somebody trying to repair a washing machine in a distant apartment.

12:34.97
Dr Sam
Yeah, oh here and also shout out to Matt Freeman who is the basis both in rancid and operation ivy and probably the man who made me want to play bass. Most of all.

12:52.16
Andrew Culture
Possibly. The only thing I like about rancid is the base plate I can’t abide Tim Armstrong’s vocals.

12:53.92
Dr Sam
Please.

13:00.10
Dr Sam
Ah, now it’s sort of so easy to be so rude about it. But it’s basic. It’s basically like it’s american version of Joe Strummer without the intelligence that nasty.

13:12.53
Andrew Culture
Oh shit. No I can see no I can see that that kind I I’m not a fan of the the human being and joke and um, crapping hell the loud strummer I am but.

13:21.25
Dr Sam
They’ve got to a point I used I let me I I used to love love answered um, but they got to a point where they just at least the 2 front people got fruit not that FFreeman while Frederickson and Tim Armsron just seemed to become.

13:36.80
Andrew Culture
Are.

13:36.99
Dr Sam
Certain point caricatures of themselves and they did this thing of like their first four albums were so different from 1 another and they went the 5 first 5 albums that so different from 1 another and then they sort of run out of like places to go with it and they just sort of reverted back to trying to. Reclaim their glory days of mid 90 S Scarpunk stuff and punks stuff.

13:57.59
Andrew Culture
I think that the second or third episode we did was about that very topic. So if you want to hear more sounds slightly demolishing. Granted go back and find that episode.

14:03.97
Dr Sam
Oh yeah, forgot I won’t go on about them These let’s let’s it’s it’s It’s a if you want to listen to operation I You don’t listen to that track. Typically there are much better ones. But that one means a lot to me promotionly. So.

14:10.99
Andrew Culture
Okay, the.

14:18.97
Andrew Culture
Okay, so the next track. Um, when Dr Sam and I first met many many years ago I don’t think either or was particularly like scar I certainly didn’t like scar scar was sort of I saw it is ah just don’t know why anyone would have liked it until I went to a scar gig and just went oh I get it. It’s brilliant. This fun. This is cool. There’s there’s a lot of quite fun cliches around scar um whereas the cliches around some other genres are not so much fun. But yeah, the the scar cliches kind of just thinks quite endearing now. But because Dr Sam and I don’t have an incredibly wide scar vocabulary.

14:37.28
Dr Sam
Um.

14:55.82
Andrew Culture
We had to sort of Divvy up some of the bands and this is the this is of a band that that Dr Sam gave me I’m going to play it and then I’m going to tell you what it is.

15:35.74
Andrew Culture
This is the first episode we’ve done and and dear list Dr Samminar can see each other. Yeah the system we use it us to see each other first on we’ve done when were all dancing to each of the tracks. That’s really fun, but that that’s god got let me tell anyone who it is that’s king porane with people taking over.

15:45.53
Dr Sam
But it’s also but we’ve and it’s also the second scarb band we’ve featured where doesn’t really sound that scarish they more look at char base moment.

15:56.47
Andrew Culture
I deliberately chose for mine I I deliberately chose bits that that didn’t sound typically like scar because I thought if anyone’s going to look these bands up. They’ll find all the scar stuff but for me part of the the thing I like about. Some parts of scar is how unscar it is which is a really odd thing to say but King Prawn this is from surrender to blender and I’m not down on the discography but is that the the last proper pink king prawn album was it like the big one they had. It’s the one I remember anyway.

16:26.47
Dr Sam
And ah ah it is another band to I’m looking out surrender.

16:31.31
Andrew Culture
But I can remember come oh you look that up. Um, and I’ll tell you why I chose that. Um.

16:40.69
Dr Sam
No, they the the last one they did was got the first um and then they’ve put out a new one in 2019 and but got the first that’s 2000 but it’s like yeah.

16:51.24
Andrew Culture
Um, oh yeah, surrender is tolender then oh man.

16:57.81
Dr Sam
They thought they know they started to get I think they were always like very popular band but they report they never got as big as they wanted to be they I think they felt a bit left out of the mid 90 s ah um, sort of London or at least mid 90 s sort of. Ah, brick rock sort of because they were on the cusp of that but also on the cusp of the punk scene as well sort of in the middle of everything they.

17:25.65
Andrew Culture
Never can never considered that so they they were fairly close to the the dreaded B word the Brit pop thing. Ah.

17:30.49
Dr Sam
Um, or Brit Rock really like terravision and you know they have aspects of that and that sort of underground that but they they Thatur of the blender um was great. But I think that was I heard things about the reason one of the reasons they split up is because they just they were just. Get a glass ceiling and just could not get beyond it and it wasn’t just it just became unsustainable. Ah you know in many ways in some ways. So.

17:59.27
Andrew Culture
I’ve I’ve heard other things that I’m not going to discuss in this podcast. Their manager lives about a hundred yards from my house guy can Simon who’s who’s a very cool guy at the I yeah I chose that because when I first heard the album start to finish it. Absolutely blew me away. It’s so creative. It’s got so many bits in it and it’s so nicely recorded and there’s funny little orchestral bits. There’s it’s got an intro track and it’s got that’s I think that’s barba luck singing on that one who’s the bass who I booked a couple of times to play here in Ipswich. And it’s always kind of very entertaining. Um and I also chose that because the guitar playing in in King Prawn I just absolutely love There’s just something so brilliant about it’s quite kind of rock but also sort of psychedelic. Yeah, that wawa bit there I just. What a great band one world is looking up and I think it’s one of those bands that will challenge conception preconceptions about scar it’s big brawn.

18:58.14
Dr Sam
So yeah and ah al ah room inn rumien room chin the singer he went a worked for eenov and did in front of the album with asian Dubb Foundation and

19:11.41
Andrew Culture
Um.

19:12.70
Dr Sam
Their thing for bit when I remember that like think about their thing for a bit was like yeah we’re very they were sort of like we’re very east London basically as they’re all I don’t think any of them I don’t know if any of them were necessarily ah so-called white british but they were very much sort of like. The pun scenes ours as well like you guys which I always thought was incredibly cool thing to do and they were so creative the original sort of stuff was so like yeah you had this guitarist to occasionally break out into like a metal riff or something like that. Ah. The baselines I love the baselines because they were. There’s a beauty in their simplicity. Um, yeah, yeah.

19:53.33
Andrew Culture
Proper proper dubby stuff as well isn’t there really deep just gentle. He’s a he’s a fun person to speak to papa Luk right? Let’s go on for the next one so the next choice is yours and it’s a band I’d never heard of so. I will play it then you can tell us what it is.

20:21.26
Andrew Culture
I chose it for this base pit.

20:46.19
Andrew Culture
Sorry when I say I chose it I mean but Dr Sam tells me what songs he wants and then if he doesn’t give me timestamps I have to pick a thirty second from the middle but who was that Dr Sam.

20:46.32
Dr Sam
1

20:54.51
Dr Sam
That was the gadgets with traffic tickets they are they were I think in late 90 s and signed to hellca records which was which is was I don’t know if is that active anymore but was very active in the late 90 s early 2000 it’s by run by Tim Armstrong or at least 7 by Tim Armstrong and probably find that by him and that was ah their first album. Ah so good. It’s this mixture of sort of 60 s ah sixty s of.

21:17.36
Andrew Culture
Um, um.

21:33.88
Dr Sam
Melodies but with a scarpunk backing to it and I think it was just like late teenagers when they recorded it and it’s just one of those albums you know. Basically we said we don’t I don’t like sparpunk very much anymore I just feel like it’s not who I am anymore.

21:50.21
Andrew Culture
Have you enjoyed listening to tracks in preparation for this though. Yeah.

21:52.52
Dr Sam
I Very much so but no interest, no interest in finding New Star Punk bands. But I love it Sort of um, being able to choose like the one-off tracks has been really enjoyable experience and. But gadget that gadget’s had in the first one I have to look at that because.

22:13.50
Andrew Culture
Crash say cracking bit of bases playing again I mean it is is just really strong strong thing in Scar I was surprised again I I’ve never heard of that pan but I was quite surprised here. It is it sixty s garage pop done with Scar isn’t there. There’s something very charming about it.

22:20.88
Dr Sam
Me here.

22:30.56
Dr Sam
Um, yeah, yeah, it is it is and they do it really? well and it’s really nice like keyboard playing and it as well. It’s called at ease and it was sort of the second album they did. They went a bit they tried to go a bit experimental and it’s not as.

22:32.28
Andrew Culture
Like client almost kind of quite innocent sounding.

22:48.27
Dr Sam
Like I think not as straightforward and therefore loses something frankly whereas that is just an album of great pop songs played in a scarp punk manner and um, yeah, it’s such That’s one of those albums I used to consider as one of the the best you know examples of the genre. And one of those ones I didn’t like to take off the seed. Take off the Cd player when it was in the Cd player because we’re talking about back in the 90 s so there were Cd players involved rather than just streaming I don’t want to piss off Metallica that much. So.

23:25.87
Andrew Culture
Ah, before we go any further forward. There’s going to be a few notable exceptions here and there bands I do want to talk about um and one of the exceptions that that we are not giving anything away but neither of us have chosen. There’s a band called once over from Brighton.

23:39.36
Dr Sam
The issue.

23:42.81
Andrew Culture
And 1 once over were well they were absolutely scarpunk how many of them were there. There was a 7 or eight I don’t know they only just seemed to fit in the transit pound. They turned up in where when we put them on but they they really personified the the fun and just the just the kind of.

23:48.28
Dr Sam
O. Yeah, yeah.

24:01.14
Andrew Culture
All out craziness of scarpunk in the in the mid 2000 s fronted by a guy called Ed who ah, last time we put them on was encouraging people to pour vodka in their eyes. Um, which sounds an odd but everyone seemed up for it I wasn’t but.

24:03.42
Dr Sam
Yeah.

24:12.52
Dr Sam
Ah, it was it was it was the coolton figure at the sign. Um I remember I remember they they were Brighton locals or they were Lil Hampton l la locals

24:18.79
Andrew Culture
As was the style at the time.

24:28.30
Dr Sam
Because you had’ say lil ham and you say little Lampton um, yeah and they were um, sort of local to the Brighton scheme s yeah scene and they’re really lovely guys and um, always.

24:31.18
Andrew Culture
Um, they lamped and.

24:44.71
Dr Sam
You know I put them on just because they were fun to be to see and they had a party on stage and I remember 1 tour they started the first or the first when they started touring they did the first kick and bright and it was shit and by the time they came back a month later they were incredible. And like all the pieces had just come into place and they had just matured into this amazing band and it was they did that sort of thing of like yeah it was scarpunk but there was also like they did death mell vopals and then they did you know beat down moments and they had a little fun with it. And um, yeah, they were they were lot. They good. They were very good. They never recorded that well they don’t think and that was one of their done that one of the shanes shame a bits.

25:31.80
Andrew Culture
They they you were this magical mix because I put them on a lot in ipswiitch and they used to sort of come to its midpoint in tours because they the pub we were using the moment at the time was called the steamboat and ra who is the landlady they would let them sleep in the pub and should send them off with with pack lunches. Because she’d like she’d like worried they weren’t eating properly so she’d give she’d get she’d make them like Dr Sam literally a pack lunch but she’d put them just on plates and with kling film over the top and it didn’t matter how long it was. They’re almost in tears. The first time she did it. It doesn’t matter how long it was between between gigs and Ipswich.

25:51.71
Dr Sam
I Don’t think they probably didn’t eat properly.

25:59.52
Dr Sam
Oh.

26:08.74
Dr Sam
So.

26:09.40
Andrew Culture
They’d always bring the plates back which always always was just adorable which is what like a really nice thing to do here’s your plates well and in the end they they were bringing her gifts and they um they turned up 1 yet each one of them had chosen a different pot plant for val so like where she lived above the po they like. Yeah, we we’ve seen we see those days. We think you need more pot plants. But what i’s going to say is they had this brilliant. They knew how to walk the line from being like kind of crazy and party animals but not being a pain in the as. And not being difficult to work with and not causing any damage so they they’d be really full on and to give you an idea you know the stage experience. Um, they do use wireless packs. Obviously they’re big, loud bands and normally normally when.

26:41.86
Dr Sam
Yeah, yeah.

26:58.90
Andrew Culture
When people use wireless packs with brass Instruments. You have like a little microphone that clips on the end of the horn part and then there’s like a long lead that goes down and it goes into like ah a thing about the size of a pack of cigarettes that goes in your back pocket I mean like trumpet player in in in my band These are end times. That’s that’s how he does it. They they didn’t do that. They’d have the microphone at the end of the horn. And then they’re just gaffer tape the the transmitter to the side of the horn I mean like normally when you see brass instruments. They’re really shiny and like really nice these things look like bombs. They look like I improvised explosive devices. It was amazing.

27:32.81
Dr Sam
And of course they are what a part of our story but the the story that brought us together of oh yeah, yeah, ah yeah, but also it was more like um.

27:37.92
Andrew Culture
Did you come down and when you’re in playing pissed resistance then with once over to for gib switch.

27:50.24
Dr Sam
We were when we when we first ah started hanging out in that punt scene and you suggested to all the people in punk news. Ah, ah and some of us said up shit. Yeah, that sounds cool to go to a zineest in Essen in Germany is it Esa.

28:05.39
Andrew Culture
Now it was Mulheim.

28:09.15
Dr Sam
Moreheim yeah forism morning you know, basically middle of nowhere in Germany and we and once over and ah they were touring in the Uk with a german band called CDespoul which yeah, and.

28:14.78
Andrew Culture
Change you.

28:24.71
Andrew Culture
Um, which been special school.

28:27.68
Dr Sam
They seemed really nice I’d gone to see them with arts over and bright and they seemed nice guys and then we got to we got to ips switch and and they were playing that night but the night before we went off to the airport here.

28:39.19
Andrew Culture
Um, yeah I was but I put them on yeah I put them on the night before we we flew out.

28:43.44
Dr Sam
And they were saying we were saying oh we’re flying out so Germany tomorrow and they said well someone an our group I think maybe Alice say oh we’re flying out Germany to and they said well were you staying how we just thought we’d squat in the squat and they went hold on hold on hold on our basis lives in that town. He’ll give you a flat and the basis came along. When gave us and he was like a joking his on cool use on his phone to his. He was very drunk. He was on phone to his his partner. Yeah partner and sort of going. Oh yeah yeah, yeah these these people these random people are just I’ve just met with Thenna stay in my place tomorrow. Um.

29:04.57
Andrew Culture
Um, he was but he was very drunk.

29:20.74
Dr Sam
If you just leave them leave them some pasta. They’ll be fine and it was like Wow that’s to me that was like the epitome of like how cool the punk scene could be I’ve just met you guys. But you’re cool because your friends with a band that we’re touring with and they’re cool and therefore if you can stay in my flat.

29:30.79
Andrew Culture
Um, yeah, it’s like.

29:40.60
Dr Sam
And don’t worry about it. It’s like yeah, but.

29:42.99
Andrew Culture
That’s such a lovely snapshot of of of that scene at that time I mean it’s never changed we we just not as active. But yeah, we did we. We didn’t want to stay in the squat that the z festor was happening in because it it was all right, but it was just like here’s some manky looking mattresses. It was in a bus depot. And literally some mattresses on the floor of a bus depot. So we we wandered around. We’re not that an Arco. So we we wandered around for a bit and then we did find this guy’s apartment. We turned up and his girlfriend had cooked us dinner. It was. It was absolutely incredible. We were so pleased.

30:02.44
Dr Sam
We’re not that we’re not that on ourco darling not left on ourco.

30:13.27
Dr Sam
There.

30:18.43
Andrew Culture
When we left we all left gifts for them I left some teeths and beat Motel t-shirts and hello deines and the other thing I remember about that trip is it’s the first time I’d seen in one of those German toilets where you stand up and you can see what you’ve done so instead of.

30:32.10
Dr Sam
Ah.

30:33.40
Andrew Culture
Steady He leavingings going down a hole like it does in the Uk it just on a little platform and it was It was quite shocking. But anyway anyway that that that that that that’s kind of but like we need to wrap that up because it was a cool thing. But yeah, thanks for raising that Dr Sam because that’s ah, that’s a lovely little vignette of how cool punk scene was.

30:38.56
Dr Sam
So.

30:49.67
Andrew Culture
Right? Let’s go for another track so you’ve just had the gadgets which incidentally is spelt g a DJITS and check out the show notes because every every episode we always list what we’ve played and what our riff of the week was and and all that stuff. Ah Dr Sam’s wandered off but I think he’s using glutose.

30:55.37
Dr Sam
Go.

31:07.20
Dr Sam
I am using Blue Text headphons.

31:08.12
Andrew Culture
Bluetooth headphones so you can probably still hear areas look’s comeback right? So my song now this one is one of those that it’s so painful to stop after 30 seconds so I’ve pushed it to about 32 because I’m friends and friends with the gar with this band and. Another band used to put on an Ipswich and I’m just going to play it here. We go.

32:03.20
Andrew Culture
Oh god it’s I hate the fact I had to cut that off. Do you know who that was Dr Sam there was a band from the south end called the big and I’m going to have to bring myself in because I am a fanboy of this band I was given this album.

32:08.50
Dr Sam
No no, here’s that Oh yeah.

32:22.92
Andrew Culture
By Ed Ed Rome the singer who’s ah just ah ah god one of the nicest people I think I’ve ever met and this album’s the second big album. It’s released on moonscar it’s called whatever makes you happy and it came with 2 discs and I may have mentioned this on the podcast before but the first disc is obscar album. It’s absolutely a scar album and they were another bloody fantastic live band brass and everything and the the ed the singer was amazing guitarists and he really didn’t want to mention this but he’s a really big bloke like really tall so he made he made a strap that he played look really small. But he was. He was just such such a brilliant sing and god I love his voice anyway. So the second disc on this album was all the Dr Same songs are on the first disc but all done in different styles. So that one is I don’t even know what what to call that style of music. But there’s. Like proper like old blues style this’ psychedelic. There’s is quite just a genius thing and I’m going to include a link to the album because it’s now available on bank accounts. You can go and buy it and I’m I’m absolutely going to buy this because. Just think it’s it’s genius see i’mm I’m running I’m going to just dive into superlatives now. But it’s again that creativity first scar which is a scene that the preconception might be that the music follows very strict rules I think even just with the selections we’ve chosen so far today Dr Sam that.

33:52.10
Andrew Culture
We’ve kind of disproved that.

33:54.17
Dr Sam
Yeah I think I think I was like play with choices. Ah and you know I was thinking even like I really liked at one point I really liked real big fish who were a massive band in the mid late 90 s yeah.

34:05.11
Andrew Culture
God They got huge they were by saw them at V festival.

34:11.14
Dr Sam
And even back then they sort of toyed with big metal like sound guitar sounds and stuff like that and the guitarist was really enamored with like yeah rock and roll ah doing rock and roll stuff in the in the. So yeah, the scene isn’t as sort of like 1 dimensional as sometimes you one isn’t what as 1 dimensional sometimes you think it might be yeah.

34:38.96
Andrew Culture
Absolutely one of the things that I I told myself I wouldn’t do with this podcast is big the listener to go and listen to things but honestly please just listen to to that that big album the the first and Bob sea on band come just runs from one to the next. But. I’d take that with me to the moon this album. It’s been It’s been an absolute joy rediscovering some of these things but I am going to stop going on on baronet I’m going to hopefully interview ed the singer on on this podcast. He he’s released an album. As a homage to 1970 s and 80 s british rail diesel engines which is it’s electronica and it’s brilliant. It’s so good I interviewed him for for beat motel long time ago and and actually I will include a link to the interview on on on the show notes. I connect this include link to head interview. Yeah you for beat motel back when you just go and sit with a dita phone and and interview people and we talked about trains quite a lot as well. But I’ll include a link to the eds. To to the interview. Just anyway, that’s the big I’d need to think just draw a line under that otherwise I’ll I’ll get too excited. You got anything more to add. Yeah, it’s cool. Bloody love it as you can probably tell right next song is now we didn’t dibby this one up. But when I saw you chose this.

35:57.59
Dr Sam
No sound is interesting.

36:11.82
Andrew Culture
I Thought it was good that you chose this band because there’s only a few songs I know and it would have been their like biggest song that everybody knows so I’m gonna play it I’m gonna play it and then we’ll talk about it.

36:19.64
Dr Sam
Oh.

36:55.21
Andrew Culture
Oh mercy go for it. Dr Sam yes.

37:00.14
Dr Sam
Cap down ah a an a political stand of reasons is the song title and they were like there was a weird sort of thing of King Prawn standing a bit away from the pun scene. And cut down very much that in the planting and were sort of in least in Brighton terms seemed to be the kings of the Uk buning for good view and they used to play I always thought it like there was a venue in Brighton that had 400 people her she was about 400 people. Maybe ah, concor too and bands like against me have played there I’ve seen Crorick Murphy’s there and a few other bands stick but all and you know melvins have played there and all these sort of if they go to Brighton that’s sort of a pretty good mid-size venue from Brighton. And they were yeah uk underground punt band that wasn’t featured in the magazines that used to sell that place out and it just when I was the late team actually seemed know the coolest thing. Um because there wasn’t people waiting for the american bands to come over here. It was actually having grown people being going crazy over. And the second album seemed to usher in this sort of and um, but particularly with the household name scene seemed to usher in this sort of out of household name res. Yeah, that seems to usher in in this sort of like this bouts of creativity which went from cap downs second album.

38:16.92
Andrew Culture
This is it how sorry household name records. Yeah.

38:30.28
Dr Sam
And sort of ended with the last light year album? Um, and these people just of all of a sudden like unlocked a key of how to mix genres very fluidly like they didn’t You weren’t jumping from metal to hardcore or you weren’t jumping from Scar to. You know, sort of Metal. They were actually meowed within the sound you could hear the hardcore beat within the the the scarf and the scarpunk ah guitar stuff and I just I Just love that second album was seemed to be in my head so important to that.

39:06.86
Andrew Culture
They’re a remarkable bands. Yeah, we we’ve talked on here before about punk news now which this is punk newst dot code dot u k which is was where Dr Sam and I and still a lot of people been friends with now met before we kind of just fucked it into a cocked hat it died. But.

39:07.34
Dr Sam
You.

39:23.34
Andrew Culture
Um, they they your guys in campdown were on the on the forum. You know you say sort their part. The scene they really really were they they weren’t they weren’t distant from it at all they they just seemed like cool I can’t remember the guy’s name was it something so horse the guy actually Bonet or something or boobies or.

39:41.53
Dr Sam
I didn’t I I didn’t realize there was a guy in Ka town on sit before.

39:43.10
Andrew Culture
It wasn’t it was some name that I always always thought was really funny that people called him that.

39:51.63
Andrew Culture
Yeah, I’m pretty sure I could be wrong as a long time ago. But yeah scar wards is the other track. That’s the one that that always gets chosen whenever somebody talks about capdown which is it gets played on 6 music quite often now as well which is quite um.

39:59.20
Dr Sam
Though there was a though I don’t know if there’s still a rader mean they’re still around but there was a tsett that used to be sold in Brighton which used the star wars font and it was star wars and.

40:11.97
Andrew Culture
Oh yeah, went through a phase seeing that all gigs. It’s like mandatory down we can’t cut the band can’t play yet. No one’s got a Scar Wars t-shirt on I I saw them I Miss completely missed out because they.

40:17.97
Dr Sam
But the least one person.

40:29.28
Andrew Culture
When they were playing around this part of the world. They always used to play Colchester or Cambridge. In fact, the video for scarbles was filmed at Cambridge Junction which is a tiny little venue. So in there I never actually saw them properly. The only time I saw or saw them was at reading festival and they’re just they’d signed to a major I can’t remember who they signed to. And that always causes a bit of consternation in the in the scene but I ought to see against me that reading and they’re playing one of the tents. So did what I always do at festival was you turn up at the end of the band before to sort of yeah, make sure you’re in the right place because not everything runs damn to schedule, especially not at reading. And we got then you couldn’t get within one hundred yards of the tent you couldn’t get anywhere near and it was packed and it’s because capdown were playing and there was a moment where it looked like they were not just going to be as big as real big fish or as big as you know any of those kind of bands. It looked like they were going to be as big as blur.

41:12.97
Dr Sam
Yeah.

41:27.54
Andrew Culture
Ah, something there was so much excitement around so much hype and I don’t really know what happened to you.

41:32.27
Dr Sam
I don’t know they that they they didn a loss. They could have makinged up a few singles. They signed a record label fierce panda they did a few singles in the early 2000 and they put out an album in 2007 and by that point it was just.

41:42.82
Andrew Culture
Um, yeah, are.

41:48.68
Dr Sam
Had changed just the scene. Ah, the interest had gone. The momentum had gone. Yeah I don’t I don’t know what happened to them internally. Um, it’s it’s that second album particularly the second album just sort of stands out as this incredible creative. High point of the british punk scene of the late 90 s and early two thousand s to me.

42:10.10
Andrew Culture
Why did I think that they signed to a major is fus pander but I wouldn’t have thought vs Panda as a major are they just looked look them up on. Um, it was really bugging me that I couldn’t remember their names and so I’ve looked them up on.

42:16.60
Dr Sam
No, but don’t mixa.

42:28.41
Andrew Culture
Like them up on Wikipedia and I wasn’t wrong. So this Andrew gone.

42:33.17
Dr Sam
First fierce panda ah ah also produced a small number of releases. Ah in 9094 by now famous acts such as. Ash the glutons baby bird and super gross.

42:53.20
Andrew Culture
Why did ah or to I thought at the time that they signed to a major and didn’t put anything out I’m I’m clearly just misremembering but fierce.

43:00.87
Dr Sam
They also credit. They’re also credited root releases with death cap cutie art bruth ah placebo the polyfun spree embraced Coldplay.

43:11.51
Andrew Culture
Not bloody hell Well so big, Big big label. Not major God that only this would matter on on a podcast with a punk background.

43:17.22
Dr Sam
And not major but but important important important important interview.

43:25.70
Andrew Culture
Just noticed how how long and yeah, how many years they were between the releases. So albums civil disobedience came out on household name records and a household name if you’ve not heard of them were are just a huge part. The Uk scene they had a record shop. And just loads up. They did it. They have a record shot they did they did just they just loads of cool stuff. They they went through a short phase of putting together supergroups which um I might discuss when we play one of the bands later on so civil disobedience was £2000 for the sound was 2001.

43:45.50
Dr Sam
Um, they have a record shop all ages in London still going.

44:04.90
Andrew Culture
And then the fierce panda album wind up toys withre six years later that’s a huge gap for yeah, they only did 3 albums and 1 of them was that long later anyway, it. Ah i’ going to put their Wikipedia link on the um. I’m going to put their Wikipedia link in the show notes because it’s actually really interesting reading and let me just make a note of that now. So cap down wiki right? Ah right? So band names best we need to move on so I’m just going to tell you the but name of the band members Andrew.

44:28.00
Dr Sam
Ah.

44:39.62
Andrew Culture
Eddie Hunt Tim Mcdonald Keith Minter Jake Sims fielding and then boob I knew it was something like that where his name’s Robin Boob Gould I just remember people talking about boob.

44:49.74
Dr Sam
With that.

44:58.30
Dr Sam
Do you think they were talking about oops.

44:58.40
Andrew Culture
Ah, to know what he did but.

45:03.78
Andrew Culture
Ah, it’s I don’t I don’t know Anyway, we we need we need to move on because ah you know this is fun. Oh it’s one of my choices now this I’m gonna play it.

45:19.32
Andrew Culture
Did I click it properly ah play it. Oh gonna have to play another one just to see if I’ve broken it oh know that 1 works.

45:35.62
Andrew Culture
Ah, ah, gives him in I’m gonna be a bit cavalier here I’m gonna try and import it again I must have bulls stay up did I hang on just can you bear fill for me Dr Sam.

45:49.65
Dr Sam
So what can I see from the window I can see the so salmon pink painted fat block some tool of flat blocks with roofs all that roof needs a bit of Tlc. Yeah. Really fascinating stuff. Ah so yes, I don’t I’m not really good at this.

46:12.99
Andrew Culture
It’s not. It’s not going to work I’ve just tried reimporting. It was Citizen fish So I’ll just have to talk about Citizen fish I chose Citizen fish because I bloody love the subhumans and the Citizen fish was the other band of of dick from the Subhumans only kickup ever been challenged to a fighter with citizen fish.

46:28.86
Dr Sam
Ah.

46:30.49
Andrew Culture
Was at the steamboat and I was having a wee at the U ials and I was so vaguely aware of this is while the band were playing and the and the toilets used to be right next to where the bands played So It was loud in the toilets and I was vaguely aware. This guy was leaning over and saying something. But yeah I don’t tend to engage in conversation at the toilets and I came out and this bloat. Made a beeline for me this somebody else and he said you’re a bit tough isn’t you and I was like what and he said well he was he was challenging you to a fight and I was like I was having a way I Still don’t know what it was all about. But yeah, no idea and I also remember that gig at the steamboat. The bassist had a huge jumper on like.

46:57.98
Dr Sam
If.

47:08.74
Andrew Culture
He was a man in his fifty s I’d say but his jumper was just huge. It went right down to his knees. They were very much like Subhumans ah Citizen fish very much hand in hand with the Anaro scene I mean like the proper you know I kind of sometimes think as squatterpunks or traveling travelers. Punks Um, both of which scenes create some incredible music. But anyway that was sits and fish and it was off a split record a split ep they did with leftover crack. Um, which I thought was was a hell of a mix because cod leftover crack. We probably do ah an episode on that type of band.

47:39.62
Dr Sam
Ah.

47:47.59
Andrew Culture
And have plenty to say but sorry you don’t get to hear citizen fish because I don’t know why but let’s go on to your last choice Dr Sam I’m gonna.

47:55.28
Dr Sam
It’s the man. It’s the man. It’s the man’s foot.

48:29.34
Andrew Culture
You know how we said that drummers in black metal bands ought to get paid twice as much as the the rest of the band just for the amount of effort they have to make I think the Dr Same goes with bases in Scar bands. It was chucking down many more notes than anyone else there.

48:41.51
Dr Sam
Oh yeah, yeah, hes ah busy boyy um that a streetlight manifesto with awesome sun here’s 2 life and ah they were the probably the last scarpunk band that I got into and I only really liked this.

48:45.50
Andrew Culture
So who is that.

48:52.43
Andrew Culture
Here’s to life.

49:00.51
Dr Sam
First album they released 2 more they were weirdly sighted victory records who are much more known for their meathead hardcore metal core stuff. So.

49:04.15
Andrew Culture
Are.

49:11.95
Andrew Culture
Sphx victory records 1 owned by Dexter from offspring. Ah oh god now I remember victory. yeah yeah course

49:14.74
Dr Sam
No, that is nitro records. Yeah, and they got like a bulldog logo and they seem to be very I don’t know there was always sort like not sure it always felt like it was a moneymaking scheme to try and get money out of the. You know the little money that floats around punk rocks. He always felt yeah but you know if like it was iping. There was money floating around it in the late 90 s and early two thousand s but.

49:35.19
Andrew Culture
I was going to say all that millions of pounds floating around the bunk scene.

49:49.16
Dr Sam
You know I don’t I don’t know um that was say without any ah you know and they you know the street ah shoot Manifesto I think they they still tour America at least they still tour but they do not record anymore because they fell out. So harshly with victory he refuses to I think um, release them from their contract. It’s got really really shitty and there’s a whole sort of I’m sure the Wikipedia site it details it I haven’t looked up but that album ah and also about mega big.

50:14.14
Andrew Culture
How God really.

50:28.10
Dr Sam
There was a um streetlight Ah, the singer was also from the band. Ah.

50:40.10
Andrew Culture
I Just spell that.

50:46.23
Dr Sam
Catch 22 um yeah and they to extent that he rerecorded they rerecorded oh so street high first I recorded 5 albums they rerecorded the catch Twenty Two first album um

50:46.26
Andrew Culture
Um, oh really.

51:01.61
Dr Sam
And um, yeah, so the first album by catch 22 is called ah keys b nights and the second album by streetline manufacturer was called keys b nights and they are Dr Same albums rerecorded. Um. 1 because the singer songwriter um went on to form streetline manifesto off the far with I guess the catch Ray 2 chaps and um, they sort of I don’t know they so I got a bit sad about them because the music never the subsequent albums. Never. Lived up to what I thought the first few albums. The first album was so good for which was sort of a marrying of scarpunk again with sort of piece of tree. The the musicians on streetline manifesto albums are fantastic and they sort of the horns. Did this thing with a. They sort of bought in I don’t know they they had like an epicness to them which this sounds might sound ridiculous. But there’s something of the Klessma /easterneuropean ah

52:16.51
Dr Sam
Ah, scales that they’re using for the horn to of the the hornlines and it it just brings out a whole different hob like but they’re not playing it at all in like a klessmo style they’re playing it in a scarpunk star and it just brings out this whole sort of romantic. Sound to it. Go to go back to like the rachmaninov yeah reading the book about the first movement of of clo reading book about writingtting. But this is an academic book about it’s not an academic It’s a history book about german romantics and.

52:37.32
Andrew Culture
Here’s you with your romance again rotting.

52:47.57
Andrew Culture
Um.

52:53.17
Dr Sam
Rakmaninov I think was is called a romantic composer because of like these big lush movements of sort of ah the music sounds romantic. It sounds poetic. It sounds big and sort of like and and so do the whole lines of street manifest like manifesto and they seem to take. From the Dr Same scales.

53:10.17
Andrew Culture
I Knew the name just because you know did zines that have been around music for so long but I’d never really listened to him I didn’t even know they’re a scar band I Just I don’t know something about the namere like manifesto that I thought they’d be hardcore. But I think a a lot of um Scar is so. So tight and kind of clipped and so squeezed into a box that yeah hearing horns like that suddenly everything becomes huge I’m going to mention another band who are conspicuous by their absence and I I did want to include them I probably fucking could have done if I’d got if I just dropped this and fits um is the slackers.

53:35.30
Dr Sam
Yes, so.

53:47.93
Dr Sam
Yeah, yeah.

53:49.47
Andrew Culture
Who I never seen live but they went through a phase they did boss harmony sessions. They did about 3 possibly 4 albums in a row and I absolutely loved every single one of them every song off every one of them because they they so were a bit more traditional a bit more sort of on on that reggae side of.

54:05.46
Dr Sam
Yeah, that’s why I did. That’s why I didn’t include them because of that that you know they weren’t Scott I consider them a scar band not step pump bandicing darling. But yeah, but there was a point I agree with you. There was a point where everything they did seemed to be just.

54:07.63
Andrew Culture
Of scar.

54:18.40
Andrew Culture
Um, then.

54:24.40
Dr Sam
So well done so well done and so for me that Songw writingting was fantastic and everything was good about it. Everything was great about it. So.

54:32.58
Andrew Culture
I I love the production they they they did an album the boss harmony sessions and I’ve got a horrible feeling boss harmony is a reggae producer. Um I’m I’m horribly ignorant about things like this but they managed to get the production to sound exactly like late 60 s jamaican scarb bands did. And in fact that that album by the big There’s an alternative possibly a couple of the tracks on the second disc of that where they do the Dr Same thing and they’ve just it’s not like when metal sounds thin but it’s it’s such a specific sound. I could I could probably pick out a jamaican recording studio sound from the late 60 s in almost any in almost anything I don’t know if it was the the equipment was terrible or I don’t know I’m I’m just Goingnna be guessing who’ll go much around that. So yeah, but that was the slack as I just want to give an honorable mention I’m going to go on the last track. Here we go.

55:49.73
Andrew Culture
Should have chosen a bit with singing really shouldn’t I.

56:01.43
Andrew Culture
Now I that’s ah in a terrestrials with war I deliberately chose that despite the fact that no singing because that little shift at the end where they slow down in a terrestrials another band that I’ve put personally put on a bunch of times here in Ipswich. Um. Ah, the time I was picked them on the very much part of the traveler community and the guy ah shit I can’t remember his name. The singer’s voice Jake J god anyway I can here’s another voice I love him and the big. Ed from the big just 2 voices that just hear on anything and I think sound brilliant but live therestrials were sort of half hardcore half scar punk but always really really interesting and they had this amazing ability to to flip. Ah. Flip a switch halfway through a song and go from hardcore to to scar in a way that kind of made sense and I don’t think it’s terribly easy to do. Did you ever see in the terrestrials. Oh you saw them here. Didn’t you.

56:55.19
Dr Sam
Um, yes, ah you I went with you. Yeah and something really didn’t click with me and I just terrible.

57:03.46
Andrew Culture
Now that was a weird gig. It was in a place called the Drum Monkey was since been demolished and it was I can’t mention any of the names of the people who involved with that wasn’t a great gig.

57:16.23
Dr Sam
Something really wound me up about it. Yeah.

57:19.12
Andrew Culture
I remember because my wife well Emma came as well didn’t she my wife and I was like yeah, love the interrestrials and I was like this environment does not suit this at all that sure completely forgot you saw him but I like them and I’ve not heard the latest album but the one before that tails a terror. Still good. They’re still doing something interesting still doing something cool. Um god we are out of time Dr Sam do you want to give us a give us a little wrap up give us 30 seconds on scarpunk pick it up pick it up.

57:43.52
Dr Sam
Yeah, yeah. Ah, do do want me to pick it pick it up. Yeah says start Pun Juck Ah scarpunks. Fun. It’s more creative than we sometimes think it is and ah it doesn’t It’s ah just the music that doesn’t really speak to me. Much anymore. But it’s a lot of fun to listen to and if you find an excuse to listen to it. It’s very good but I don’t have the energy for it. I’m too old for it.

58:16.13
Andrew Culture
Ah, what a great conclusion. Yeah I’ve enjoyed listening to 2 tracks by don’t have the energy to skankl night like some sort of young person just is is funny. It’s like drinking loads of coffee and then sitting down and watching a very slow documentary I think you put scarpunk on you like I need to do something with this energy.

58:23.14
Dr Sam
I Don’t like to sweat.

58:34.50
Andrew Culture
And needs to sort of match where I am but well I’m going to get.

58:34.62
Dr Sam
yeah yeah yeah I think one of the last pits so last Smosh Bitts I was in was actually streetlight manifesto and it’s because I just because they had that sort of infectious energy. It was down camden underworld and I just couldn’t have myself just. Wanted to get involved and that as it happened in. Well it continues.

58:54.88
Andrew Culture
Ah, so we both saying we’re both lacking the excess energy now now we need to can can need to hold on to the energy we have got.

59:06.28
Andrew Culture
Okay, on that note, we’re actually coming in at under the hour where so we’ve done well so until we’ve got so many episodes coming up so many brilliant things until the next time I’m going to say goodbye Joe say goodbye Dr Sam goodbye.

59:17.47
Dr Sam
And goodbye.