Last Updated on August 7, 2023
S01 E20
Throughout history, venues have helped define and nurture scenes. Sometimes music venues become central to the scenes they support. For example, The Hacienda in Manchester become synonymous with the Madchester scene in the early 90s.
From the 1960s to the late 1990’s, a tiny venue in Soho (London) became the heart of a music scene that spawned phenomenal stars. The venue was Bunjies. Although it wasn’t a venue so much as it was a coffee shop with a tiny basement.
We could list the acts who performed at Bunjies, but we figured it would be far more interesting to speak to someone who was there. Nick Blatchley is that man! In this episode of the Beat Motel podcast, we are thrilled to be joined by poet, writer, historian and occasional rapper Mr Nick Blatchley.
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Bands and acts mentioned in this episode:
- Paul Simon
- Bert Jansch
- Ralph McTell
- Rod Stewart
- Adam Faith
- David Bowie
- Jeff Buckley
- John Cooper Clark
Hilariously inaccurate automatic transcript
00:00.00
Andrew Culture
Hey, cool kids you’re back with beat motel I have a guest here today and I being Andrew culture my guest is the quite wonderful Nick Blatchley he’s an authority on a great number of things but there’s 1 quite specific. Bit of information a bit of knowledge and experience that I want to chat to Mr Nick Blatchley about today. So Nick would you like to say hello hello Nick right? Let’s get straight into it Nick and I know each other through more various things we’ve done bits of work together and and all sorts of bits and bobs.
00:23.38
Nick Blatchley
Hello andrew.
00:36.49
Andrew Culture
And ah Nick is ah a performer but he’s also I kind of think of you as a historian nick is is that fair or am I being a bit rich there.
00:42.51
Nick Blatchley
Oh and I love history. Yes, yes I I do actually write quite a bit about local history local being hartfordshire.
00:52.44
Andrew Culture
Excellent. So as a part of this this beat motel podcast I’m seeking out people who who have had experiences that I’m I’m going to say envious that probably is the right word actually. Experienced cultural things or musical things that have some importance to where we are now. So this is why we’re doing a podcast about bungegies now. Bungegies are not those little elasticy things that hold things onto the back of your bicycle. Nick can you tell me what. Bunges is and what happened that made it start. That’s a funny way of putting it I guess but go on Nick what’s bunges.
01:36.90
Nick Blatchley
But well bunges was one of the iconic London coffee houses that was were very prominent in the sixty s ah it actually opened in 1954
01:55.18
Nick Blatchley
And the reason it was called bunges was because the original owner Peter Reynolds named it after his cousin’s hamster. Um.
02:08.35
Andrew Culture
That’s the second famous person named after a hamster the other one being Sid wishes very different reasons.
02:12.83
Nick Blatchley
Yes, yes, yes, slightly different.
02:16.84
Andrew Culture
So there was a lot of coffee houses around London at the time and if you see old Cliff Richard films and things like that you can see they were obviously like the hit places to be so it’s not I guessing bungegies wasn’t like Costa or Starbucks or anything would be now.
02:32.97
Nick Blatchley
Oh absolutely, not no, it was a it was what you could call a dive you you you went down very narrow steps. Um from street it was in.
02:47.97
Andrew Culture
I.
02:52.87
Nick Blatchley
Litchfield street which is just off charing cross road and the the steps. Ah the steps alone probably broke half a dozen fire regulations. Um, it was in a cellar. 1 part of the cellar was a cafe but as you say not at all like Starbucks or Costa um, and the other part of the seller was a performance area. Um, and. At various points in ah, bunge’s history. They had evenings of mostly music occasionally comedy as well. Um, but it was the music. It was famous for um, it.
03:46.35
Andrew Culture
Yeah, so that that music I don’t want to give too much away kind of this early on in the episode but sometimes we have to catch people’s attentions in in the first pip. So when you say musicians we’re talking Paul Simon arcgarlf uncle Cat Stevens sandy Denny Roy Harper Tom Robinson Matthew kelly matthew kelly what from hump.
04:07.64
Nick Blatchley
Yes, ah yes tonight sir he was Matthew.
04:10.45
Andrew Culture
Oh Matthew Kelly youre appearing Aszi. So Rod Stewart I’m not gonna not gonna go oh went Bob Dylan yeah I’m not going to go on and on but I just want our dear listeners to know that this isn’t just some basement with you know a payto play type shoddy string of performers. Ah, the sort of place I probably play. There’s some pretty big names here. So how did it develop I mean it’s quite a remarkable quite a remarkable history so opened in 1954 but what what happened next.
04:44.90
Nick Blatchley
Well um, like some of the others. Ah you know there was one called Les cousins. There was the troubadour which was actually the original venue that the La troubadour was named after um.
04:58.16
Andrew Culture
Wow.
05:02.98
Nick Blatchley
Ah, they started putting on um things like skiffful and blues and jazz. Um I mean skiffle was was absolutely mega at the time it was sort of it was.
05:18.49
Andrew Culture
It was huge wasn’t that date that.
05:22.52
Nick Blatchley
It was rarely the first major british um music boom. Ah although ironically it was very much imitating american styles.
05:37.39
Andrew Culture
There’s a brilliant clip on Youtube of Jimmy page from led Zeppelin on television when he was well he was a child with his skiffle band. Yeah, they it’s hard to imagine now. But it was huge and Lonnie Dongan was um, his old millions of records didn’t he.
05:43.99
Nick Blatchley
Um, and.
05:48.99
Nick Blatchley
Oh absolutely and yes, and of course you know, retrospectively the the most famous skiffful band was ah the quarrymen who evolved into the Beatles.
06:01.40
Andrew Culture
Kind of such a great way of making that point Nick.
06:07.80
Nick Blatchley
Um, but yeah I mean they ah bunges started ah getting regular artists appearing um.
06:21.62
Nick Blatchley
Some people um that you may not know of unless you’re in into sort of the folk scenes like Dis Dizzley or Wiz Jones who are very big names on the folk scene. Um. Also a guy called Terry Nellums or nelams. Not sure how you pronounce it who is better known as Adam faith later on um, but as as it went into to the 60 s.
06:44.70
Andrew Culture
Oh wow.
06:56.93
Nick Blatchley
Ah, the style got got folkier. Um, and in particular, um, ah something I know will interest you um it became one of the homes of the so so-called Soho. School of guitarists. Um, ah the the founder of the school was davy Graham whose best known piece is called Angie which Paul Simon played on 1 of simon and Garfunkel’s albums but
07:31.79
Andrew Culture
I arrive.
07:35.49
Nick Blatchley
Also included um Bert Janch and John Wrenborn Later Formed Pentangle yeah and all kinds of people I mean Paul Simon who um was over in who lived in London for for a couple of years
07:40.22
Andrew Culture
Um, yay yet, You’re definitely right there I’m happy about that.
07:54.95
Nick Blatchley
Um, was very much part of that school ralph mcelll best known for the streets of London Roy Harper Al Stewart um it was a very influential school of guitar work. If you’re not familiar with it. Probably the best way to describe it is that it was a fusion of folk blues and jazz with anything else thrown in that they happened to want to add to the mix ranging from um, classical to.
08:32.50
Nick Blatchley
Um, to sort of Indian influences.
08:38.13
Andrew Culture
Now I can see having seen pictures of the the venue I ah dare you know, but barely dare to call it a venue because it was very very small seen pictures of of musicians kind of ducking their heads while they stood there playing. So. It wasn’t quite like the cavern club in Liverpool where there was a stage necessarily am am I right? there.
08:55.77
Nick Blatchley
That that’s right it was I didn’t actually measure it. But apparently it was fifteen feet by fifteen feet um I think the the record crowds. Ah.
09:05.86
Andrew Culture
That’s crazy.
09:12.85
Nick Blatchley
Got in was about 120 and that that was in the 80 s and um, apparently the the musicians were were had their backs to the wall and barely had.
09:17.32
Andrew Culture
That’s terrifying.
09:30.21
Nick Blatchley
Space to play their instruments.
09:31.40
Andrew Culture
Well I think it’s that size that I can see how it developed from yeah being the sort the blues and jazz and the skiff all the things that might record quite well require a drum kit probably onto the more sort of folky side of things I think a folk gig would probably be more comfortable there than a. A large Blues band.
09:51.34
Nick Blatchley
Yes, Ah, although early on the the Blues performers tended to be soloists or duos.
09:59.30
Andrew Culture
Ah, so you you said a couple of things there Nick that I think we can reveal that you was there. You were that man you were there.
10:09.26
Nick Blatchley
I I was there but not in the sixty s um yeah I was around in the 60 s but not old enough to go to London and spend the evening at a dodgy coffee bar.
10:23.72
Andrew Culture
Think is it doesn’t sound like it’d be that hard a sell for your parents in eo to say what were you going to lie, you’re going to the pub now I’m going to a coffee shop. Okay, that’s the that sounds quite reasonable.
10:33.55
Nick Blatchley
Yeah, but it wasn’t in the heart of Soho. Yes, yes.
10:39.30
Andrew Culture
Yeah, so is in in the spicy part of London for anyone. Ah, anyone not familiar with Soho so how did you first find out about bungegies.
10:48.25
Nick Blatchley
Um, well I mean when I was living living in London from a moved up to London from ah in 1979 and um I was looking for for venues. Um. Originally ah I used to go much more to the troubadour. Um, which was just round the corner from where I lived um, but I did go to bunges a few times during the um, the 80 s. But it was rarely in the 90 s I ah started getting into it when um, there hadn’t been any music there for a while. Um, but they’d they’d started up um, various clubs. There on different nights and I knew some of the people who who ran some of them and performed regularly. So I started going along and um I became a ah part of the furniture rarely.
11:58.76
Andrew Culture
I think everyone would have to be part of the furniture just for everyone to fee.
12:00.60
Nick Blatchley
Um, well yeah, yes, we took turns ah sitting on each other.
12:12.76
Andrew Culture
Ah, brilliant.
12:15.90
Nick Blatchley
Um, um, and at that time we didn’t get the sort of so many of the mega stars that they’d they’d been in the sixty s I mean you. You mentioned a few um but there were all kinds of people. Um I mean what actually backtracking a bit one. You didn’t mention was that um, ah apparently one night in 1967 ah young. Young man turned up but introduced himself as Dave Bowie and and did a floor spot and announced to the audience one day my name will be in lights.
13:01.75
Andrew Culture
That’s quite amazing just out of interest. You mentioned a phrase there which I’m not familiar with floor spot and I know that can you you go ahead and explain it.
13:08.77
Nick Blatchley
Ah, yeah, yeah, that I mean that comes from the the folk club tradition. Um, which is very much not um.
13:24.55
Nick Blatchley
Performer and audience as separate things and in in the standard folk club Model. You get a guest who’s who’s paid. But anyone who comes along can sign up and just do a couple of songs or. Couple of pieces. Um and that was carried over very much into the ah the coffee house tradition. It was note ah and you know that sort of couple of song spots was known as a floor spot.
13:59.72
Nick Blatchley
Um I don’t think you get it in any other ah musical genre rarely.
14:05.26
Andrew Culture
Um, speaking as a promoter of gigs. It would be a nightmare to have it happen in any of the genres I work in have a band just turn out that’d be terrible but it does explain why there’s a really popular folk night here in Ipswich and it’s called folk at the boat because it’s at the steamboat and.
14:16.24
Nick Blatchley
Hope to.
14:22.53
Andrew Culture
I was visiting there after I spent the day in the studio with one of the bands I was seen and we’d have popped in there for a drink and we got speaking to to someone and found out it was a folk jam and somebody just handed me a guitar before I could tell them that I can’t play guitar where I couldn’t then. They they all launched into something and like looked over at me expectantly and I just sort of smiled politely and put the cattal back down. But I’m I’m really interested in this like alternative way of the night running because looking at looking at the history of bunges. There’s quite a lot of mention of residencies. And again residencies isn’t something I understand I know in theory like that who had a residency at the Marquee Club I don’t really know what it means is it just playing the same night every week or playing all week what What what? is a residency in this context.
15:12.60
Nick Blatchley
But well a residency can mean that in in the context of the coffee houses what it meant was that um 1 person would run a particular night of the week you know you might do.
15:29.52
Andrew Culture
Um, oh Ryan.
15:30.60
Nick Blatchley
You might do a Wednesday and you would be both the comp compare and ah and the main act. Um, but you’d also introduce floor spots.
15:49.20
Andrew Culture
I Quite like that it sounds like a really friendly way. Also as a promoter you’re getting more more mileage out of your money for the for the person you pay.
15:50.50
Nick Blatchley
Um.
15:57.23
Nick Blatchley
Well yes, yes, yes, um, and you know ah Paul Simon rat ran one of the nights um in the mid 60 s and when he had to go back to America to become.
16:04.89
Andrew Culture
I am.
16:14.50
Nick Blatchley
Ah, mega star um al steart took over um ah Al Stewart was extremely young at that time. Um.
16:15.97
Andrew Culture
Wow.
16:26.14
Andrew Culture
So what was it all these names that we’re mentioning what was it that was attracting them to this tiny little place. It sounds I tell you where I’m coming from here having played in bands for many years there’s like ah, a ladder or a stepping stone system in in venues where.
16:33.19
Nick Blatchley
It is.
16:43.39
Andrew Culture
You play very small venues and you want to play slightly bigger venues then you want to play and so on and so forth clearly I never made it past the tiny shitty little venue stage but it like it blows my mind that people like Paul Simon were over here running residencies and obviously he he didn’t have a high profile then. But just that huge long list of names you know like Bob Dylan popping did he pop in while he happened to be on tour in the u k.
17:10.47
Nick Blatchley
Um, oh yes, yes, yes, he he? ah he visited bunges he visited the troubadour um it it was a place to be heard. Um, and I mean. New York had had the the coffee house system too. Um, you know in in Greenwich village. Um, so which was sort of how Dylan had come up so he’d have been comfortable in that sort of setting. Um, yes, it it was it was a place you could just go and play. You know you you might have your um your organized gigs as well. But you could just drop into bunges. Do a couple of numbers just in a very relaxed sort of way. Um.
18:12.27
Andrew Culture
So so it was a key part of of the folk genre then it it wasn’t It wasn’t necessarily an oddity it. It was one of several places like this would that be right.
18:19.79
Nick Blatchley
Um, oh yes, yes as I say ah America New York had um, best known one there was called the gas lights and in London.
18:37.44
Nick Blatchley
As I say the probably the big 3 were bunges les cousins and the troubadour. Um.
18:43.37
Andrew Culture
These are all venue names I’ve heard of I just never made the connection. But what strings them together. What pines them.
18:52.90
Nick Blatchley
Oh yeah, um, and.
19:00.58
Nick Blatchley
Yes, it it was it was It was very much the spirit of the time. Um certainly in in folk Music. You know the the the sort of. Star on stage and the the plebs in the audience is very much an anathema to to folk music. Um, and even now you know artists who who play big Gigs. You’ll often find them out in ah in the foyer in The. Break sort of chatting to to the audience. Um, so that this was this was a very natural sort of thing.
19:51.18
Andrew Culture
It sounds very It actually sounds kind of quite punk rock I mean I I found that that I can draw a line between almost any type of music and punk rock. But they early punk was certainly fighting against the them and us thing you know Dead Kennedy’s had whole songs about you know. Bands on Fifteen foot high stages and and all this kind of thing.
20:12.95
Nick Blatchley
Oh yeah, yes, yes, um, ah you know I think it’s a bit of a cycle it you you you get the the star system building up and then.
20:28.22
Nick Blatchley
Ah, type of music comes along and tries to smash it down. Um, and you know obviously that’s that’s a healthy thing. Um, even if you know sometimes you do need the big concerts. But. So um, but the you know the the more you can subvert that the better.
20:52.78
Andrew Culture
So we went. We’ve mentioned some of the really big names that that kind of passed through and I’ve got a bit more of an understanding now about how that came about and how that happened but there’s a couple of little things I’ve got notes on here that I just want to mention just because I think they’re cool. So Jeff Buckley
20:57.26
Nick Blatchley
And.
21:10.51
Nick Blatchley
Um, more Jeff but yes yes Jeff Buckley played and I missed it I I think I think I was working that night um and you know I mean he wasn’t.
21:12.66
Andrew Culture
Played in 9094 you missed it bear.
21:27.10
Nick Blatchley
He was well known he wasn’t as much of a legend as as he became after he died. But so but yes I mean he he was over for a tour in Britain and apparently is his manager.
21:33.44
Andrew Culture
Um.
21:44.89
Nick Blatchley
Wanted him to play bunges. Um, you know he he did bigger gigs but um and that this ah this evening was ah arranged. Um, I’m not sure how many floor spots were allowed while he was on but possibly possibly. They had a ah few sort of reliable support Acts. Um.
22:10.29
Andrew Culture
Ah I.
22:15.90
Andrew Culture
It was almost. It was almost a thing in the early 90 s that loads of bands did this Jes and mary chain all sorts they’d they’d play venues that they were much too big to play because then it would be in the news that hey you know this venue’s being packed out the fact that they’re packing out a.
22:24.59
Nick Blatchley
Yeah, yes.
22:33.10
Andrew Culture
In this case, a fourteen foot by Fourteen foot basement
22:36.79
Nick Blatchley
Yeah, yes, and and um, ah apparently I mean obviously I knew a lot of people who did go along that night and apparently the the queue to get in went up the stairs. Down the road to charing cross road and right round the block. Um, ah I think a lot of people didn’t get in but um, but yes I mean the the most crowded evening I actually went to was um.
22:54.45
Andrew Culture
Wow.
23:12.51
Nick Blatchley
Ah, when one one of several times when John Cooper Clarke was on at that time bunges hosted performance poetry as well as music. Um, and I mean that night
23:17.48
Andrew Culture
Oh.
23:32.90
Nick Blatchley
Ah, people were just having to stand up where they were and play because there was no no room to you know there was no stage area. Yeah, you know you couldn’t ah you couldn’t get anywhere in in the room. But. So yeah, that was Fantastic. Um.
23:53.41
Andrew Culture
So there’s no amplification then they’ take it. There’s no p a or anything if it was this if it was such a small room.
23:59.12
Nick Blatchley
No, there’s no Pa I mean if you wanted to bring along a small p a you could, but um, ah, most people didn’t um well yeah, yeah, yeah, see.
24:09.72
Andrew Culture
Well just getting it down the stairs would be a nightmare from the sound of it.
24:16.59
Nick Blatchley
I mean it would have to be basically, you know you you you you basic? Um, ah amp with the speaker and that that’s about all. Um, but but most people. Did it unplugged as they say now. Adam.
24:37.80
Andrew Culture
So Bungees Bungegie’s is is legendary I mean I’ll admit I hadn’t heard of it before before you we spoke about it know prior to this look quite wild ago now prior to this recording What what is it about it. Do you think why is it? Why is it so legendary because we. Yeah, know we we would established that there’s a great list of people who’ve come through it but it was part of a ah a punk sorry punk. Ah a folk scene that it was quite a normal type of venue. Why do you think it. It sticks out.
25:11.78
Nick Blatchley
Um, well I mean you say it just normal it. It was It was one of the most important ones. Um I think it was it was a mixture of the people. Who gave it its reputation and then that just created the atmosphere. Um it was.
25:47.20
Nick Blatchley
And it was it was different. It. It wasn’t remotely part of the you know this the system um people could hear great music there A you know. For a very low entrance fee. Um, and you know you got in free if you did a floor spot. Um, Oh yeah, ah well I performed there quite a bit actually um, ah at that time but I was doing ah.
26:11.36
Andrew Culture
Did you do a floor spot. Well.
26:23.21
Nick Blatchley
Performance poetry with pre-recorded backing music. So not not a million miles from rap actually although it yeah it well I mean it was the music wasn’t hip hop.
26:32.12
Andrew Culture
Reckon Wow I wasn’t expecting you to say that.
26:41.58
Nick Blatchley
Let’s put it that way. But so but doing doing quite often fairly forceful poetry over backing music. Yeah, it’s a it was a bit like rap. Um, but.
26:43.11
Andrew Culture
Um.
26:59.98
Nick Blatchley
So yes I mean I I ah I did floor spots regularly. Ah ah, got booked occasionally. Um, we in the club system that ah. Evolved in the 90 s um, it was a bit different from the residency. Ah, there were there were three guests a night and sometimes it would be someone like Jeff Buckley or John Cooper Clark who ah and and there were. You know that there weren’t three get guests on those nights but um, but sometimes it would be people who performed there anyway who who’d get a ah sort of 20 minute slot um
27:53.37
Andrew Culture
So is this the kind of place where people would go almost regardless of who who the floor spot was or who it wasn’t so much about a big billing. It was just it’s Thursday so actually what night the week was it was every night oh wow
28:01.60
Nick Blatchley
Oh out.
28:08.42
Nick Blatchley
It was every night the the one I used to go to most was on the Saturday evening. Um, but yes I mean obviously um, you know if if someone big was on and. Yes I did see bert janch there in the mid 90 s and and and he got a ah big crowd. Yeah I mean that that would that would increase the audience but most of the regulars would would come along regardless of who was on.
28:25.31
Andrew Culture
Well NB is there.
28:43.80
Nick Blatchley
Um, because it was it was just a great buzz. You know, um, all the coffee was great. Yes, yes, um, ah and um and they did so.
28:50.93
Andrew Culture
Was the coffee. Any good.
29:03.47
Nick Blatchley
Bottles of beer as well. Um, but yeah, and unfortunately the coffee machine was quite noisy. So it it did sort of occasionally interrupt quieter acts.
29:05.77
Andrew Culture
Um, so.
29:19.98
Andrew Culture
So it’s a bit like in the birth of industrial kind of music as well. Then.
29:21.63
Nick Blatchley
Sir. Yeah, yes, yes, you could say that. But yeah.
29:28.40
Andrew Culture
I think Erst Bird Noya Barton or whatever they’re called would have something to say about that I say that this this a ah great. A great story now at this point in any musical history. We have to address the why it’s not still there. So what. Bungee’s well I’m not aware of it still being there I’m kind of assuming am I right.
29:52.63
Nick Blatchley
And no, no it closed in 9099 and the answer was simply ah inner city gentrification. Um, it ah you know the the.
30:03.51
Andrew Culture
Boo.
30:09.69
Nick Blatchley
I think I think the the rent became unsustainable. Um and it was sold to someone who ah reopened it as a ah posh restaurant.
30:25.77
Andrew Culture
So not a million miles away from what it was but not not the same at all.
30:31.50
Nick Blatchley
Well no, ah I presume it was all gutted and ah the the issue of the fire exits was ah was addressed and so on um, ah, but. Certainly they they didn’t put an on any music there or if if they did it would have been sort of lounge singers. So um, well officially, but.
30:57.50
Andrew Culture
Um, so is was this the end of the name bungees.
31:06.76
Nick Blatchley
Um, we we opened all kinds of clubs elsewhere I mean I helped to run a couple of them which we unofficially referred to as bunges in Exile Um, but um, but.
31:19.40
Andrew Culture
I Like that.
31:27.72
Nick Blatchley
I Think I think that’s seen as largely gotten. Ah now the troubadour is the only one of the coffee houses left. Um that that still hosts music. But I think it’s ah. Ah, haven’t been into the troubadour for for some time but I think it’s I think it’s a bigger venue now and and does concerts rather than the more traditional model. Um.
32:01.20
Andrew Culture
I’m just looking them up online looks like they’ve got a nice ah a nice menu as well.
32:04.91
Nick Blatchley
Yes, yes, so that that there it um there is one this autumn I’m hoping to to go and see where um, they’ve got Nick Harper on who was ah well he was.
32:18.36
Andrew Culture
Um, oh.
32:21.89
Nick Blatchley
He’s Roy Harper’s son. Ah Bur Jantci’s stepson um and he used to hang out at bunges in the mid 90 s um, you know he he did he did guess spots there but he also just used to turn up and and and chat to people that is very nice guy.
32:46.89
Andrew Culture
Excellent. Well I think that’s that’s ah, we’re goingnna wrap it up about there. Um I have a clip on Youtube a burchant bet annch and Al Stewart playing at bungeess in 9092 which I’m going to add to the show notes. But Nick before we go is there anything you’d like to add or is there anything you you think.
32:51.96
Nick Blatchley
Okay.
33:06.36
Andrew Culture
People need to know.
33:09.14
Nick Blatchley
Um, well I mean there are actually still venues ah out there that that have some similarities to bunges. You know, newer ones. Um. You know if you’re in London there’s a great place in Camden Town called ah, the green note which which has a similar sort of vibe. Although it doesn’t run in the same way it it puts on sort of dedicated concerts. Ah rather than.
33:32.39
Andrew Culture
Ah.
33:45.93
Nick Blatchley
Club model. But yeah, but in general support your local venue because if you don’t support them. They won’t be there soon.
33:58.12
Andrew Culture
That is ah well I mean we say a good note to end. No, it’s a positive note to end on and I wholeheartedly agree that good things happen at grassroots and we need. We can’t lose them we we can’t we can’t be left only with venues that exist to sell Carlsberg.
34:06.42
Nick Blatchley
Absolutely is.
34:13.59
Andrew Culture
Or other beers.
34:15.41
Nick Blatchley
Or or even good beers and.
34:17.50
Andrew Culture
Well and true, right? Okay Nick I really appreciate your time. Thanks for sharing your experiences with this is this has been absolutely fascinating chat and I’m going to say goodbye would you like to say goodbye.
34:27.85
Nick Blatchley
Yeah, thanks, Very much and goodbye.
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