Last Updated on October 9, 2023
S01 E36
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Can you read? Do you like music? Well, then, this episode is for you, as Andrew and Sam show off that their basic education still goes to good use in the form of showing off that they can read books. Looks like we’ve got some readers here, as Bill Hicks said. What do you want to read for?
This episode, we discuss our favourite music biography-orientated books. We talk about whether they’ve changed our relationship to the music, and some of what makes and breaks these books. Andrew also has a new introduction for the podcast, which in itself may need an introduction.
We have introduced a correspondence section at the end of each episode, so contact us by emailing beatmotel@lawsie.com
Riffs of the week
- SAM – Tom Zé – Ave Dor Maria (opening)
- ANDREW – Kanonenfieber – Dicke Bertha (0:55)
Sam’s Picks
Little Richard – Spreadin’ Natta What’s the Matter (0.14)
Little Richard by Charles White
Jayne County – Max’s Kansas City (0.20)
Man Enough to be a Woman by Jayne County
Minutemen – My Heart and the Real World (opening)
Double Nickels on the Dime by Michael T. Fournier
The Slits – Typical Girls (opening)
Clothes Clothes Clothes Music Music Music Boys Boys Boys by Viv Albertine
Andrew’s Picks
The Auteurs – Lenny Valentino (0:20)
Bad Vibes by Luke Haines
The Charlatans – Up to our hips (0:20)
Telling Stories – Tim Burgess
Spaceman 3 – An evening of contemporary sitar music (live) (37:01)
Playing the Bass with Three Left Hands by Will Carruthers
Sleeper – Statuesque (from the start)
Just for one day – Louise Wener
Episode artwork generated by Dall-E with the prompt ‘metal band made up of books who can play guitars and drums, all the books are on a stage made of a bouncy castle’
Shonky AI Transcript
00:00.00
Andrew Culture
Hey gochids you’re back with the beat motel podcast I’m here with doctor what you want to be called this month Dr. Patio rage this week actually
00:05.97
Dr Patio_Rage
I’m Dr Patio rage this is my official this what this this month this year is my official title. It’s not really.
00:12.60
Andrew Culture
Well, okay, good to kind of get good to get such a professional start to the podcast as ever right? We’re on Youtube as well. Anyone’s listening to this on their podcast platform. You can also watch us and we’ve made no effort with our appearance. Actually I can only speak for myself my name by the way is Andrew um. The the sign for the studio hasn’t turned up yet. So I’m still using the the ah the cardboard 1 on on an old tripod. It’s it’s quite nice I think but we’ll stop talking about that. Um I have a ah special little something I want to add to the podcast.
00:34.67
Dr Patio_Rage
I think it suits us quite a lot.
00:48.29
Andrew Culture
And I’m going to explain the provenance of it first I’m going to explain why I’m adding this to the podcast I discovered a podcast recently called the rock geeks and it’s a couple of northern british guys who go into phenomenal detail about over particular albums. So at the moment I’m listening to what is 2 episodes which is about four and a half hours long going into pinkerton by weezer in incredible detail and first of all as a homage to them I’m going to explain that.
01:16.16
Dr Patio_Rage
Ah.
01:23.59
Andrew Culture
I normally record or I have been recording these episodes when I’m in the studio on a studio electronics se 2200? No two se two thousand and I have recently upgraded to a sure a sure smseven b but I haven’t got the preammp for it yet. So I can’t use it so I’ve gone for the aston origin british made Mike which is ah, really cool I can’t tell if you’ve frozen or you’ve just completely lost interest in life listening to that amount of detail. Um, yeah, so.
01:51.92
Dr Patio_Rage
Are.
02:00.37
Andrew Culture
On their podcast. They have a disclaimer at the start and it it says something along the lines of actually I’m not going to say what it is I’ll put a link to their podcast because I’m I’m quite fascinated by the depths they go into for albums. They’ve also done Metallica I had made and and the new episode is manic street preachers and I’m thoroughly enjoying it. But. That’s enough of an advert for them. I’ve made a disclaimer for the beat motel podcast would you like to hear it I think it’s quite I think it’s quite on brand and we’re gonna we’re gonna play this unless you like seriously object. We’re gonna play this at the start of each episode from now on here. We go.
02:23.81
Dr Patio_Rage
Oh yes.
02:34.78
Dr Patio_Rage
Now fucking go for it.
03:29.59
Andrew Culture
I was quite feel quite pleased to that. But I didn’t miss it. No the last the last one. It’s this got. It’s got a whistle I know it’s definitely not there because I snipped them out in Ableton So there there are no swear words in that.
03:32.42
Dr Patio_Rage
Um, like I miss the last fucker.
03:44.26
Dr Patio_Rage
It’s quite clear I mean it’s quite clear What the swear words are but it’s also that one just sounds like you haven’t snipped enough. Frankly.
03:50.92
Andrew Culture
By my I might left a little bit to it I was particularly pleased with with 2 phrases in there which which I thought one of while hind penis I just quite like because it doesn’t make any sense but it’s not but no I beeped out interestingly I beeped out.
04:01.87
Dr Patio_Rage
An arco Syndicli I liked move.
04:09.82
Andrew Culture
Almost the whole of a narco and a bit of Syracist but it’s still weirdly. You put a base note under it and it’s still really clear that it’s a narcosyderlist I just thought that was funny anyway. So that’s that’s in honor of the rock geeks and and will forever be there now.
04:16.30
Dr Patio_Rage
First night
04:25.78
Andrew Culture
Ah, probably apart from when I do live episodes because I record those differently and I’m not really sure how to insert audio like that into them right? Dr Page Dr. Patio Dr Ratio um
04:35.70
Dr Patio_Rage
Well we we are talking about sort of talking about educational material is what you can’t we books books about books or biographies of musicians or bands.
04:40.99
Andrew Culture
We are What is the theme this week I like books.
04:54.92
Dr Patio_Rage
Ah.
04:55.19
Andrew Culture
We’re we’re doing this very much on ones that we’ve read fairly recently because otherwise we’re just not going to remember what on Earth we’re talking about.
05:00.74
Dr Patio_Rage
Well um, one of them I mean fairly recently is a thing for me. But yeah I mean ones that left a mark with me I would say.
05:09.74
Andrew Culture
It’s almost like we have production meetings I’m not going to say if we do or not because I’m not sure whether that would make make the listener experience any better or worse production meetings aren’t punk.
05:18.25
Dr Patio_Rage
It’s not. It’s not punk though. Is it production meetings. No.
05:25.30
Andrew Culture
Right now. Anyone who’s listened to this podcast before will know that we have riff of the week and I’m going to start with your riff of the week Sam You want to introduce it or do you want to say what it is afterwards.
05:35.57
Dr Patio_Rage
Let’s have a listen.
06:10.69
Andrew Culture
I’ll be honest when I first heard the beginning of that I thought oh sweet Jesus this is a ah Sam’s forbidden music choice but then actually by the end of that little short clip I really like it so who is that.
06:15.90
Dr Patio_Rage
Okay.
06:22.50
Dr Patio_Rage
That’s a guy called Tom Ze who is a brazilian ah avant garde musician who sort of he came to sort of came up with the whole who he was part of the whole Tropicana movement in the sixty s and then he sort of. He’s sort of known as the captain bfi the frankszaapper of Brazil and this to 2005 and it’s from an album called Esto Dan Dot or bug or there um, which is here. It’s like um, a.
06:41.39
Andrew Culture
Wow. So what? what year is that.
06:56.40
Dr Patio_Rage
He’s on a few of these albums 1 or 2 of them at least where he sort of breaks down a style of music and I just that riff with the you know, just it’s such a cool riff and it. It could be any anything. It’s like it’s got this brazilian rhythm and sort of these noises over the top. But it’s also got I think a voice thing that is a reference to like funkadelic type stuff and parliament type stuff. But also then the riff comes in it’s fucking heavy. It’s yeah.
07:26.42
Andrew Culture
It’s meaty isn’t it. Um I like that that that that’s quite a fast swing in my brain between this hurts and this is cool is is kind of like jumping in a cold pond or something and then.
07:39.32
Dr Patio_Rage
Yeah, but you know you can imagine that riff being played by I guess any number of sort of rock bands that whole album that I mean that album to he did that album? um it from 2005 is
07:48.30
Andrew Culture
8 ight’s good just great I’m got I’m gonna look up more because I like.
07:56.60
Dr Patio_Rage
So far like the the heaviest thing I’ve heard him do it’s all great. It’s all great. It’s such a good album and he was sort of rediscovered by Ah, what’s he called the talking Heads guy ah is that.
07:59.71
Andrew Culture
Love it.
08:10.96
Andrew Culture
Ed Byrne it’s not Ed Byrne he’s a british comedian David Byrne I’ll just start running through all all anglicized christian names until we get there.
08:16.00
Dr Patio_Rage
Ah, yeah, that’s him think that’s David David Burn and yeah and his stuff got start getting reproduced so sort of had a blossoming in the let last sort of 2030 years yeah I just yeah pretty good.
08:30.20
Andrew Culture
Cool as shit right now anyone who hasn’t listened to this podcast before I have to explain we can only play 30 seconds of any track otherwise Prs will I don’t know come round our house and make our milk go sour or something so my choice.
08:47.45
Dr Patio_Rage
Um.
08:47.65
Andrew Culture
Like Sam’s it’s only going to be 30 seconds and we’re a broad church on beat motel podcast but we do lean towards the heavy as you as you’ll know if you’ve listened to us before and as you will come to love I hope as you listen to more episodes. So here’s my choice I’m going to tell you who it is because I don’t think it’s going to spoil anything if I do. It’s canonan for you. It’s so german band can canon and feber can canon feber and the song is ah now I’m I’m reading it as Dicky Bertha and I’m sure it’s not dicky berha but it’s spelt d I k e. B e r t h a 2 different words dke berta my german is not good I got a g for german which whilst was alphabetically pleasing in gcc and it doesn’t mean I I can actually speak any germ but have you heard of this band canon feber.
09:41.83
Dr Patio_Rage
This the one you sent me your whatsapp. Oh I’m gonna I’m gonna try this try this old on. Ah.
09:44.70
Andrew Culture
Oh yes, you will have heard it because I probably told you about it I’m gonna put you’re Goingnna do some on the spot research you’re gonna be like the Carol Warderman of the air in the book corner on countdown it wasn’t carol audderman in the book corner was it.
09:53.72
Dr Patio_Rage
I prefer to think no sue something who I like a lot more than Carol Aldwin
09:59.99
Andrew Culture
Oh suit then her her podcast that she does with Tory Jumper wearer Giles Brandreth is is really good. Nothing rhnds to a purple.
10:08.90
Dr Patio_Rage
Yeah, she’s ah she’s a good but this is how Google translate would. Ah.
10:14.54
Andrew Culture
I think I know what it is I think it’s can I spoil it I think it’s the big canon or something isn’t it No say it again.
10:18.40
Dr Patio_Rage
That did you catch that.
10:26.81
Andrew Culture
Nope doesn’t it doesn’t doesn’t root through like that. Oh you’re trying to get it so that it it will actually say it out loud that would have been neat but we’ve fucked that up royally right? So let’s play.
10:26.94
Dr Patio_Rage
Um, Nope Dike Yeah anyway, let’s move on. Let’s move on. Let’s listen to the riff.
10:42.71
Andrew Culture
Ah, can known of this band.
11:15.35
Andrew Culture
Just its 2 for 1 3 for 1 4 for 1 There’s plenty of riffs in there isn’t there. What did you think of that Sam.
11:19.50
Dr Patio_Rage
Yeah, that’s good. It was more punk and I expecting it. They sort of had a almost deep beat aspect to some of it sludgy yeah sludgy 80 s hardcore sort of aspect to it.
11:30.81
Andrew Culture
Here it’s like db black death metal. It’s a it’s a lovely thing that the first that’s their first album? um um I looked them up because they’re supporting Bauska who I’m going to see it in tuffnall park in London.
11:37.12
Dr Patio_Rage
Cool, Good sound I like the guitar sounds.
11:47.57
Andrew Culture
And ah, not long actually in a few weeks time the right Pettuska because there are as you know there are many baktuskas.
11:52.95
Dr Patio_Rage
Yeah, the wrong ones the the wrong one is playing ah helsinki about the same time.
11:58.68
Andrew Culture
Got say the wrong ones sound pretty good as well. Um, so or whatever your flavor of batuska I’m sure the ah the band themselves have strong preferences right? So that’s riff of the week done and dusted for another week that was very enjoyable. Thank you for exposing yourself. Um to. It to new music. Um, wasn’t sure how the end of that sentence instance was going to go thin wandered around a bit right? Let’s get on. Oh don’t know I was I was in a um I was in a.
12:20.19
Dr Patio_Rage
Thank you for exposing yourself sir it’s a good meme Andrew it’s a good mean.
12:29.43
Andrew Culture
An fsb meeting yesterday just to talk off music topic so federation small businesses network meeting online and everyone introduced themselves and you get like 20 seconds to say what you do and everyone’s always like I am an accountant I will be your v at and it’s just the most boring thing. So I always try and think something interesting. And I’ve said things like Seo which is what I do is a bit like the film never ending story and Google’s like the big hairy dog thing and I can usually sort of keep that thing going and people remember it because it’s more interesting than saying what I actually do so yesterday. Brand new group. That’s why I said it.
13:04.22
Dr Patio_Rage
Seo is about exposing yourself to random passersby.
13:08.35
Andrew Culture
I said we might mentioned my company name which I’m not going to mention on the podcast I said ah we help you expose yourselves legally which which I thought was really funny. It bombed it absolutely bombed. It did not go down well at all and um I wasn’t embarrassed because I have no shame. But.
13:13.92
Dr Patio_Rage
Are.
13:27.96
Andrew Culture
I just like share that with you right? So let’s get onto the books. So what happened to next dear listener is Sam and I have four choices each um and we’re going to back up. Ah augment decorate. Um improve I’m running out of words.
13:29.25
Dr Patio_Rage
Is.
13:47.72
Andrew Culture
Choices by playing a song by what the band done what the biography thing is right? So would you like to introduce your first choice. Sam.
13:56.91
Dr Patio_Rage
It it is little Richard the king and queen of rock and roll. Um, there’s no two ways about it and the song is cool. Just need to find the notes sorry very professional. So. Red and natta what’s the matter and no go for it. go go go go go. go
14:15.63
Andrew Culture
Oh sorry sorry I didn’t realize there was more.
14:54.54
Andrew Culture
There’s several quite strong little richards themes in there. There’s the ah hammering piano. There’s the word lucile. Um, and yeah, he wouldn’t like that. What’s not a lot. What’s not to like so tip.
15:02.50
Dr Patio_Rage
um well I um I just wanted to talk about that track a little bit. Oh it dawned on me when I was making this list because I this book was recommended to me from a friend of mine and it’s called. The life and times of little Richard. The quasar of rock by Charles by yeah Charles white um and and but the the track that dawned me you know I was watching the document There’s recently been a documentary about little Richard.
15:27.99
Andrew Culture
Looking good for.
15:38.46
Dr Patio_Rage
Being put out to much claim and it dawned on me that I’ve only really listened to and I think most people only really listened to the early stuff before he first decided the rock and roll was um was satanism and. But became part of the church and then this is an album that so that’s wrong from an yeah that album was from that trackers from 1970 s where he sort of made a comeback. It was his first sort of attempt to make a comeback and it dawned on me that a man who wrote all those early amazing songs.
15:58.30
Andrew Culture
Um, he threw his rings into the Harbor didn’t he.
16:14.95
Dr Patio_Rage
Um, you know you can write a tune so why wouldn’t some of his later material. Be great and the real thing is a great album. It’s like it’s much more soul than ah, a lot of his early rock and roll stuff but it’s still It’s just still so good. So this album is. This book here is I would say eye popping. Um yeah, the stories that are in here are pretty fucking out there. Um, he real Richard you know he he is a.
16:38.24
Andrew Culture
Eye popping. Wow.
16:53.44
Dr Patio_Rage
Southern American and grew up in a time of abject poverty down there in the south and what he came from and what he became amazing but also for anybody who’s interested in. You know, um. The identity crisis of little Richard I think there’s a lot of explanation in the book. But the storys are amazing. This story about him losing his virginity at the age of 13 is I’m not going to go into it here because it’s graphic and nasty is just crazy.
17:26.80
Andrew Culture
Who So says an autobiography.
17:31.16
Dr Patio_Rage
No, it’s extensive interviews with him and other people. Um, yeah, that’s one of yeah yeah, yeah, but legs Mcneil.
17:33.98
Andrew Culture
I quite I quite like that angle like the oral history thing. There’s a brilliant book called please kill me by legs someone or other about the the that’s it about the New York punk scene late 60 s early 70 s that’s I think it’s a really good way of getting across the feeling of of.
17:53.30
Dr Patio_Rage
Yeah.
17:53.43
Andrew Culture
Ah scene or or anything at all. So so the book was recommended to you so what you said it was eye popping but did it fundamentally change the way you you viewed little Richard.
18:04.83
Dr Patio_Rage
Yes, um I think it made a much more complex and much more understandable person rather than that’s ah.
18:10.89
Andrew Culture
Sorry forgot with one Youtube here I’m just like scratching the inside of my ear was that distract exam just like crunchy stuff. But sorry that’s terrible.
18:18.20
Dr Patio_Rage
Ah, what came out what came out was interesting. Oh lovely.
18:27.29
Dr Patio_Rage
Ah, yeah, it did it did fundamentally change the way I look at him because it turned him into much more complex but understandable character made of much more human and ah the injustices that I think he experienced as a rock and roller who who. You know he more than anybody he more than anybody wrote the song book of early rock and roll because whilst little little um, whilst Chuckberry It was also the most astonishing sort of hit rate. He also had an aspect where he did the same thing every song.
18:52.52
Andrew Culture
Ah.
19:04.57
Dr Patio_Rage
Little Richard did not do the same thing every song he actually sort of wrote you know, sort of unique pieces for every song. They’re distinct and the fact that you get him writing like a soul album in the nineteen early nineteen late sixty s early nineteen seventy s and also ah just the greatest story about it is.
19:04.70
Andrew Culture
Her.
19:23.35
Dr Patio_Rage
Ah, not the greatest story but the one story I sort of ah that I can sort of retell to a very bad in a very bad way is when he was playing woodstock he played woodstock. That’s yeah, exactly. But he played 1 song because he played.
19:31.95
Andrew Culture
I didn’t know that.
19:40.92
Dr Patio_Rage
He saw he watched Janice Joplin and he to said the only person he’s never been able to follow is Janice Joplin she was too much and he watchs Janice Joplin when I can’t follow this I can’t I you know I’m not and so he’s just he plays. Yeah.
19:44.66
Andrew Culture
Wow.
19:54.21
Andrew Culture
Um, you can hear that banging can’t you I somebody in the next room to quote Paul Simon so someone in the next room turn it would trying to win a prize anyway.
20:02.91
Dr Patio_Rage
Ah, and so he just sort of he gets all the house lights killed and he gets up on his piano and he gets the song. It’s like 1 of his big songs. You know could call him miss Molly or um and one of those and he just plays one song. Goes for it. Just everything helpful ever and just leaves the stage. It’s the only way you could think of topping Chanis Joplin and you know just kill everybody and and leave.
20:29.81
Andrew Culture
It’s amazing and what what’s what I find really interesting about people like little Richard is that the 8 how old is he when he when he first emerged so it must have been what fifty five fifty six
20:41.27
Dr Patio_Rage
Um, yeah, yeah, um.
20:44.43
Andrew Culture
Was he was he young because not not everyone was like the big bulber and and some of the other people were kind of they’ve been doing the rounds for a good long time and kind of jumped on the back of rock em roll but I get the impression little richer was young so early 20 s 1955 woodstock 1969
20:54.15
Dr Patio_Rage
He would have been. He would have been in his early 20 s yeah.
21:03.36
Andrew Culture
So only mid 30 s not exactly kind of like a heritage act not like kind of the rolling stones kind of doing their two hundredth tour or whatever.
21:05.68
Dr Patio_Rage
Um, no.
21:10.21
Dr Patio_Rage
No, but then you you look at the rolling stones and when people when they were turning 40 people were saying ah, really, you’re not embarrassed.
21:19.42
Andrew Culture
You only need one band who’s older than you carrying on to make it feel. Okay I believe that I believe that even kind of on ah on a on a local level if there’s people in bands older than I am then it’s say okay and there always will be now because the ah the perception of youth and um.
21:24.24
Dr Patio_Rage
The.
21:37.69
Andrew Culture
When we should bail out is is just gone.
21:38.43
Dr Patio_Rage
What at what point? Yeah, what point do you start playing in like a covers band or you sit down.
21:46.61
Andrew Culture
I’m not sure I’m ever going to do that when I was younger I would have said I would have said in conversation that playing this cupboards band means that you’ve given up on life I don’t believe that now I’ve got friends who who do it very very well and I’m basically just not a teenagewat anymore I’m now a middle-agedwa. Um, but now I wouldn’t play in a cupboards pant because I can’t learn other people’s songs. It’s really difficult I can’t you know I play guitar on a play bass I’m just crap at learning other people’s stuff I can write stuff and I can be part of the band process. But my mind my mate Tom has a repertoire. He can stand up and do just him an acoustic guitar of around 300 songs that you can just recall like that and given given stuff on an ipad he can do anything else that he wants I think that is phenomenal. And I feel bad about my teenage self thinking that was shit or lame or somehow because I think it’s probably more work than being in an originals band.
22:45.73
Dr Patio_Rage
There was a I was listening to out for lunch which is a podcast with now hosted by um, aid edmonson the gen yeah and he was talking to Chrissy Hyde and she came up with it. She had a great quote of his.
22:54.40
Andrew Culture
Oh wow.
23:03.34
Dr Patio_Rage
I can’t remember the exact thing but it was something like um, something along the lines of you wrote you know good gody Miss Moy when you were 20 I can play it when I was 17 and this this ah this is this an interesting aspect where you have people on the internet a lot of Youtube people. Playing you know trying to get the exact thing that they’re they’re copying with exact and to me learning how to play other people’s music is a way of learning how to you know learning basically the the tools of the trade in a way. It’s you’re learning how to play someone’s ah how to how. Stuff is written but there’s something. There’s a big difference between getting how something has been written and getting the exact same thing and there’s this aspect of you know, sort of like people going. Oh they’re playing it better than the those people say. Yeah, but they didn’t write it though. Did they.
24:04.35
Andrew Culture
No I don’t get the point. Um I am with you that that learning other stuff is a good way of for me picking up technique I Learned you’re not gonna be able to hear it probably. But I learned um.
24:19.80
Andrew Culture
Um, oh shit I learned good riddance time of your life by Green day a couple of days ago on Guitar but that guitar is just picked up out of tune. Yeah, it’s good. Good way of learning. But why improve albums are a snapshot of a time and a place and a thing they’re they’re not. They’re not a record of perfection.
24:37.72
Dr Patio_Rage
No nope.
24:39.50
Andrew Culture
Which is why a lot of bands are so different live I mean Bob Dylan now people struggle to recognize the songs that he’s playing because he’s been doing so many different versions for 50 years now that people like did he play his hits and like I don’t know. But yeah, good good point right.
24:53.54
Dr Patio_Rage
As so citizen.
24:58.70
Andrew Culture
None of that was anything to do with little Richard. So let’s move on to my first choice now. My first choice is I developed into music properly in the 90 s so there’s been a whole rash of books out from the 90 s so I’ve been I’ve been making my way through them recently and. I’m gonna play the the track and then I’ll explain what it is.
25:58.37
Andrew Culture
So that was the oururs with a song called Lenny Valentino which I I think is it is a cracking song as it goes on. It’s got so many brilliant bits and it’s it’s cello heavy mid 90 s indie. Um, which I think is.
26:08.69
Dr Patio_Rage
Do its go like a scar field to the drums and reverse.
26:13.54
Andrew Culture
I genuinely think they’re they’re a brilliant band I think Luke Haines is a very very good songwriter. Their first album is is just wonderful and it was so it was so opposite to absolutely everything else at the time this is when like the the lad Laddette band culture was starting to develop and they. Kind of got their breaks supporting swadee on swade’s first tour. Um, but at the time they’re just very very different kind of amazed me that they they did so well. The music’s good, but they didn’t fit. They didn’t fit at all now. Luke Haine’s book.
26:34.80
Dr Patio_Rage
And.
26:51.63
Andrew Culture
Just called bad vibes is quite brutally honest by his own admission. He he doesn’t he doesn’t think he’s a very nice person and that’s certainly backed up by by several points in the book. He is quite unkind. About a lot of people but it gets to the stage where when as you’re reading you never quite side with him. But you start to sort of sympathize with him more than anything else because as much as he’s brutal about other people in bands. He’s also brutal about himself and he. By his own admission has made his own life very difficult by being the way he is but it’s actually quite a funny book I’ll give you an example, he here is complaining about about. Oasis the rise of oasis and he he always refuses to use the word brit pop or like talk about that as a thing because it it wasn’t a thing and the the book ends with him complaining about oasis and then he says but the thing is Noel Galga lives around the corner from me and every time I bump into him. He’s like all right mate and then we have a lovely chat. He said it’s really hard to think someone’s a sont when every time you speak to them. You really enjoy the conversation. So it’s got this sort of like lovely lovely knowingness about that he knows he’s being a bit idiotic about it. But it’s an engaging read. It’s I think the mark of a good.
28:19.10
Andrew Culture
Mark of a good autobiography for anyone who’s been in the band is if you don’t like the band or’ve never heard of the band but the book is still engaging then it’s a good autobiography and 1 of my later choices is is that very thing. So.
28:30.20
Dr Patio_Rage
Well, it’s It’s an interesting thing of like I I found this list quite hard to put together because I don’t think there’s a lot of very well written books actually about rock and roll. Yeah.
28:47.90
Andrew Culture
It’s so subjective isn’t it.
28:49.28
Dr Patio_Rage
I mean I I recently read a sellout by Dan Aussie who was the guy who also wrote co-wrote Laura Jane Grace’s book and I’ve just found both of them pretty. He’s he’s a very good interview but he is his analysis is very thin. And his placing is very thin and his sort of I don’t know he’s he he doesn’t contextualize well um, and um, yeah I’ve just sort of found both both of those books frankly quite.
29:12.23
Andrew Culture
Placing What do you mean by that.
29:17.21
Andrew Culture
Okay.
29:26.53
Dr Patio_Rage
Diss satisfyisfying to read Um, and ultimately I don’t want to be nasty about him I think he’s done a very important thing in cataloging those moments but I don’t think I just I Just think the books are quite thin. Um.
29:41.19
Andrew Culture
it it must it must be difficult because there’s there’s several angles if somebody’s writing an autobiography then they’re likely to be kind about themselves and not focus on some of the more negative things apart from Luke Caines with bad vibes. Which is one of the reasons. It’s so refreshing. But also the what does what does the audience want because a book I haven’t included here is Graham Coxon’s book because I haven’t read it but I was spoken to people who have and they said it just kind of.
30:12.52
Dr Patio_Rage
Ah, this.
30:17.33
Andrew Culture
It was interesting but it just kind of bummed them out a bit see I always wonder what the motivation is of the writer Luke Haines I think he wants to entertain I think that’s that’s all there is but someone like Laura Jane Grace has several themes that are consistent through all through all her work that I’m sure. It forms a part of that. But I mean what do you want? Well I’ll tell you what I want first what I want from reading a book by someone who I’ve looked up to who’s an band I like I’m generally only really interested in how they went from nothing at all to being. Musician I mean I want the nuts and bolts I want how many gigs did you do I know what contacts did you make how did you record your demos and ah another book I didn’t choose is ah the book by Brett Anderson and from swede and he split it into 2 parts. The first part is is. Kind of basically birth to teenage years and the second part is teenage years to most of swae and I found that really interesting and that there’s some quite shocking things in there that that I was quite astonished by but he he does that he goes into all the detail the Luke Haines 1 he kind of does a little bit so that’s what I want from books like this but I’m very aware that I’m probably in quite a minority.
31:33.78
Dr Patio_Rage
I mean yeah, it’s a good question I don’t really know what I want from books like this but certainly like um I’ve got the Joe Strummer 1 written by Chris sallow witz and I started rereading it a little bit of it. And he keeps telling you that Joe Strumer is funny I don’t need to know that Joe Strummer is funny I can make my own fucking analysis of it. Sorry that part of that book really winds me up. Oh Joe Strummer is funny so fucking what you know, but he then goes through a lot of a lot of work to contextualize. Ah, Joe Strummer from his middle class. You know parents to you know what he was doing in the squats before he joined the clash and what the clash went through and he he he really? you know that book has aspects that really annoy me, um, but that annoys me about. Music journalism in general, you read a review and go oh it’s great that doesn’t tell me anything about the ah the you know what? I’m actually tell me about what it actually contained rather than telling me about what it makes you feel um and.
32:49.90
Dr Patio_Rage
I guess that’s aspect of like I think the Charles Mingus one which was is called beneath the ah the underdog is fascinating because he’s basically an angry man and he could he knows he could write and do a much better job but he is just. Angry throughout the entire thing and he’s deciding to have a fucking goer everybody and everything because he was a pioneering black musician who wanted to be taken seriously and because he was black. No one would take him seriously and also because he was a jazz musician. No one would take him seriously. The most part until later in his life and it’s but it’s tough I mean yeah, but I what I distinctly want from books of this I don’t know but I I want I want more more understanding of the world that people.
33:41.52
Andrew Culture
Yeah, yeah, I’m I’m with you there. what what I tend to enjoy less is the sensationalism in some books and it’s kind of interesting in a gory kind of way so hammer of the gods I think was the led Zeppelin book I read.
33:41.63
Dr Patio_Rage
Come from I guess is interesting to me.
33:51.00
Dr Patio_Rage
Yeah, yeah.
33:59.91
Andrew Culture
A while ago and it’s it’s not that old. It’s not hammer of the gods I can’t bloody remember there’s 2 really famous Zeppelin books. 1 of them is written by 1 of their a guy who was essentially one of their hired thugs and rdies and there’s another one which is pieced together from interviews and bits. But sort of goes out off into these realms of fantasy about what might have happened behind closed doors and I kind of got bored by it I know that Jimmy page is probably or probably wasn’t the nicest person in rock and roll at the time because who doesn’t know that. I know he was a walking encyclopedia of stds that that’s so that’s all a given I know that Robert Plant was was all right I know that bonzo you know John Bonham was essentially a nice person who was always horribly homesick and dealt with it in very negative ways I know those things what I want to know is. So things that you said you know where they where they came from I wanted to know why how John Paul Jones fitted into the band because Jimmy page from a very young age talented session musician. He made a fuckload of money like years before you know well before led zeppin ever happened. Led zepplin used to ban. They used to rehearse the first few rehearsals were in his his boat house of his house in on the thames you know and Robert Plant and John Bonham were kind of teenage friends from poor upbringing in Birmingham um John Paul Jones I haven’t got a clue.
35:32.82
Andrew Culture
That’s one I don’t want to know about where where they put fish and road in Rdies in groupies and I just I don’t give a shit really.
35:40.44
Dr Patio_Rage
But I guess that’s why I think of like that’s what they think the market wants is this sort of sensationalism and in that way, you know so much more interesting literature is so much more interesting about you know the world he came from and that book spends most I think to my memory that book spends. The first half at least sort of talking about the you know discussing sort of what early rock and roll was like and what the world you came from was like and you know this is so much more interesting than ah than oh yeah, you know like I don’t know if aussie osborns put out a book but I’m sure if he has. All this stuff about him snorting ants and stuff like he can get that from the internet I don’t care you know, but what was but what was Birmingham like and how did he fit into that world and how did you know like that whole thing work and I know that’s out there.
36:21.27
Andrew Culture
I Hear that’s not inside. Is it.
36:36.25
Dr Patio_Rage
And I know people have written about it. But that’s the sort of thing I want is this sort of conceptualization of of stuff. How does that how does it function and that’s what Danny Osborne want Danny Osborne Dan Oussie’s book
36:42.95
Andrew Culture
I Think you’ve hit.
36:51.74
Dr Patio_Rage
Sellout doesn’t do is it doesn’t contextual. It talks a lot about the underground and the mainstream but it doesn’t actually say what the underground looks like or what the mainstream looks like and it doesn’t tell us anything about the networks of the underground in Punk Rock in the 90 s and. You know it just sort of places it places punk rock as the sort of insular group of people who are pissed off with the mainstream without asking questions about why that might have been and on at least addressing a little bit of those questions of why that might have been it. It. Spends the entire hour spends the two three hundred pages avoiding the word capitalism which in the book about Punk Rock and it’s selling out to mainstream stuff is crazy.
37:44.35
Andrew Culture
You’ve you’ve hit on something which is exactly what I want from books I want the context I want I’ve read a couple of books recently one of them is the time travelerss guide to Medieval Britain and the time travelers guide to Elizabethan Britain and i. Absolutely love them because they they they say in very clear terms if you were on a street on thirteenth Century Britain this is what it would look like this is what it would smell like this is what this is how people would talk this ah would be the general feeling of of society at the time that’s really cool and I want that from music biographies.
38:18.28
Dr Patio_Rage
Death.
38:20.32
Andrew Culture
Especially from from things like little Richard and I mean the the brit pop thing which Luke Haine ah say he’d probably come and give me a a rap on the knuckles for using that phrase I was there you know I know what it’s like but I don’t know what some of the stories are.
38:32.70
Dr Patio_Rage
A citizen.
38:37.84
Andrew Culture
Behind the bands he he rips into a lot of say like a lot of other bands but 1 of the things that really shocked me is his reveal of of how how druggy the whole scene was I wasn’t of an age really to sort of experience but he describes Elastica as being formed by. A welsh woman who ah turned up with a London with enough heroine for the whole scene and she I know exactly who he’s talking about but no one else would dare say that sort of thing.
39:08.87
Dr Patio_Rage
I I’m ah I someone I know was a drummer in a band that got signed a kind of poly doorre I think they got signed to and um. This was in the late 90 s early two thousand s maybe I can’t remember when it was a great album I’m not going to say who it was because I don’t want to talk to name names. But yeah, he basically said down and the entire budget for their first album this is during that sort of boom period. Um. Ah, just went into the veins of the guitarist and singer.
39:43.92
Andrew Culture
Oh man right? Ah, ah, let let let’s move on because we’ve we’ve only got 20 minutes left and we’ve only played 2 songs so we need to play need to play the next one. Do you want to introduce your next track.
39:49.87
Dr Patio_Rage
Okay, yeah, this is Jane County Max’s Kansas City
40:32.86
Andrew Culture
I Know the name Nep never heard a sing never heard the band.
40:34.56
Dr Patio_Rage
It’s pretty good. Actually no no, never really listen to her either. But I the out the her her autobiography was reprinted autobiography by Jane County with Rupert Smith was from 95 was re. Printed fairly recently this is going to sell me 2021 and it had a and and ah this is book. This is great. Great name of a book called man enough to be a woman and she is basically the first as far as I’m understand she was the first openly transsexual.
41:05.50
Andrew Culture
Ah.
41:11.76
Dr Patio_Rage
Rock and roll star and yeah depth.
41:12.52
Andrew Culture
I can’t I can’t think of any others I think of people who played with it like little Richard but no, no one who was that that so hundred percent commitment I don’t don’t really know know how else to put it.
41:28.45
Dr Patio_Rage
Yeah, and she came from again. She came from the south which is something about the south creating really interesting characters through its acts of repression of those characters. Um, and ah she was. In Warhole films and Warhol plays Andy Warhol that is and she was part of the stone wool riot she was part of the early punk scene that emerged out of that sort of art punk stuff. She knew the velvet underground and knew. Um, what’s he called? ah.
42:03.85
Dr Patio_Rage
Who’s the main guy in velve on the ground. What was heed again. Louvre I mind coast no Lou Reed and it’s ah you know there’s a lot of and you can hear it in her voice the way that she’s talking about um the way she’s singing is very loureed and flated. Um I think.
42:06.73
Andrew Culture
Glue read out John kale.
42:23.77
Dr Patio_Rage
And ah, it’s a really is you know it’s a name dropping book. But it’s also a really really interesting book because it’s about someone who was sole alternative to the mainstream and could had had no ability and no interest in suppressing it. And found In fact, a sort of a scene and she kept changing scenes but found in so these different scenes that ah you know, um, became a very important part of ah modern day rock and roll law and um. It’s really interesting to sort of read a book from someone who was inside it Again. It’s a bit thin sometimes but it’s also a bit shocking is pretty shocking because every single by every single person in the book who she cares for gets raped. But yeah, but the rape is like.
43:16.63
Andrew Culture
Oh fucking Hell really.
43:22.17
Dr Patio_Rage
This person got getting got into this situation. They got raped and then she moves on very Quickly. There’s no sort of like um, it’s a fact of life rather than something that and it’s a fact that they had to deal with rather than something that had. Necessarily something that they sit down and sort of talk about for for a long time and it’s incredibly shocking from a modern you know a modern disposition to sort of read about these people who were abused in so horrendously and they just were they just had to get off get on and go back to the party and sometimes. You know.
43:55.67
Andrew Culture
That shit. But it’s important these things. Ah these things are are documented and not just swept under the carpet that that is how how some parts of positive change happen but I can really hear it. It actually in the music I can hear a lot of the the early 70 s proto punk.
43:57.93
Dr Patio_Rage
Yeah, so.
44:10.21
Dr Patio_Rage
Yeah, yeah, well literally you hear the name New York tolls
44:13.28
Andrew Culture
Ah, hate that phrase but you can hear New York dollles you can hear you know. And oh yeah, he’s actually in there isn’t it right? Cool we’re we’re gonna have to nip along here. So I’m gonna move on to to my next choice and you know I always like to play it before telling it because i.
44:22.40
Dr Patio_Rage
Yeah, go for it governor.
44:33.30
Andrew Culture
There’s so many bands that that I read about and and listen to that are so out of context for anything that you and I talk about together so I’m going to play it and I tried this out on Emma on my wife this morning I said right? What’s this and I played the same click. She got it in about 2 seconds
45:19.39
Andrew Culture
A tiny tiny bit of vocal there.
45:24.10
Dr Patio_Rage
No idea but the get points for attempting counterpoint are like that. Ah okay, never listen to them.
45:27.48
Andrew Culture
Ah, that’s the charlatans. So third third album I think third album’s good starting point actually because first album they are fay bouncy Manchester pop like bloody everyone was at the time second album they got. Ah. Guitarist left after the first album they kind of booted him out. Um second album got new guitarist who was really innovative, really interesting just the way he played and they had the album was produced by flood so they went from like bouncy pop to second album is just it’s a bit march if I’m honest, they they Tim Burgess the singer.
45:55.98
Dr Patio_Rage
E.
46:06.14
Andrew Culture
And I’m talking about his book called telling stories. He said yeah they were pressing every button they could. They had a load of money and just just went nuts. Basically but the third album they sort of they they did have some difficult times as a band they’ve had deaths imprisonments all sorts of. All sorts of stuff which was very much in the news at the time third album they just sort of strip everything back down and it sounds like they’ve been a lot listening to a lot of late 7 early 70 s era rolling stones but it’s just a good album. It’s just really good. It’s just a smart album but the. I’ve always liked Tim Burgess he’s he’s always come across as the nice guy of of music and several things shocked me about the book. The 1 thing is just how big they were I loved him but I didn’t think anyone else at the time but even heard them they they sold millions of albums they were the charlatans were. Proper massive you know selling more than Madonna in the Uk and you just crazy big which I just didn’t know it was. It was a complete surprise to me. But again the drug thing I was quite shocked with the revelations because it’s an autobiography that that he was it was a crackhead genuinely like what really you like.
47:17.10
Dr Patio_Rage
Ah, ah listen.
47:19.61
Andrew Culture
You sure same thing with Bret Anderson and swayed that one not so much of a surprised Tim Burgess I was like really.
47:29.37
Dr Patio_Rage
Another book I want to go back and reread. It’s not the greatest book rock and roll book ever. But it’s a pretty good one which is um is George Clinton’s book brother. Okay hold. Um.
47:39.63
Andrew Culture
You know when you turn around like that we can’t hear you as so well oh, he’s actually wheeled himself across the room now there’s a big bookcase behind Sam.
47:49.20
Dr Patio_Rage
Um, is it. Ah this great title of book. It’s brothers be yo like George Ai n’t that funkin kind of hard in you.
47:58.79
Andrew Culture
But okay, that is a hell of a title I think can you can you know, send me a whatsapp with the title to these books that I add them to the show notes please.
48:04.87
Dr Patio_Rage
Yeah, yeah, but I didn’t I haven’t I need to I need to reread it because I I think I sort of read it a bit too quickly to digest what he was saying about a lot of stuff but it’s a good book for like contextualizing parliament and funchedelic. But they also it was like. Ah, he his friendship with fly stone is all based on crack abuse and but they were. He’s basically he was a barely functioning but he was a pretty functioning crackhead since the late 70 s until the last few years
48:39.57
Andrew Culture
Oh wow.
48:41.90
Dr Patio_Rage
And then he got clean and all of a sudden he wrote this Book. He’s got. He’s trying to get his his house in order because the problem with parliament funk de is like and this starts with Punk. You know the very way they started is just there’s legal rights. Ah, who owns an album. Stuff all over the shop and he got pretty fucked over pretty badly Anyway, Anyway, that’s just like drug abuse and a musician’s interesting. Weird sad.
49:06.37
Andrew Culture
The the the thing. Yeah, the the thing it did shock me with the with the charlatans with Tim Burgess’s book. But but you know this is drugs. It’s not something that’s not a subject I I have any deep you know I don’t have any experience and and don’t really have any understanding other than conversations I’ve I’ve had with. Friends basically, but the thing I like about the way Tim Burges handles it is his his writing style is Don say amateur. it’s nice but it’s not it’s not he’s not a writer he’d probably admit that but Anderson’s book I know I didn’t choose it. But Branson’s book from swade. He writes like he thinks he’s a good writer but it comes across as as 6 form writing whereas Tim Burgess is just it’s almost like he’s just being night. He’s just sitting down with you in the public explaining it and it it does end. Well it does he doesn’t sort of dwell on the redemption is just again, quite honest. About the whole thing but it it does it ends well and he’s threatening threatening. He says he’s going to write another book because obviously this book only goes up to a certain day and and he’s still active and he’s still doing loads of cool stuff. But the title for his second book I absolutely love is going to be called timbuk 2 no sorry Tim book 2.
50:22.40
Dr Patio_Rage
This is special.
50:24.96
Andrew Culture
I thought I see it works better with the northern accent because he’s from ah, he’s from North which but yeahp I like that right? we better move on to the next one John introduce it.
50:27.42
Dr Patio_Rage
Yes, mess.
50:37.88
Dr Patio_Rage
Ah, yeah, this is minutemen with my heart and the real world.
51:14.66
Andrew Culture
Every time I hear the minute men they sound completely different to the time before I heard the minute men. They’re like the fool always the same always different as John pile said.
51:18.73
Dr Patio_Rage
They yeah yeah, there’s that’s pretty good summing up of verse they change incredibly they change incredibly. But this is a book. It’s not really biography but it’s a biography of an album which is from the series thirty three and a third
51:35.38
Andrew Culture
Um, oh I Love those books if you’re at the replacements one.
51:38.70
Dr Patio_Rage
By Bloomsbury. Yeah, some of them are great. Some of them are not so great, but this one’s no I’ve read replacements ah biography which is great actually because you haven’t read it the 500 page one.
51:48.81
Andrew Culture
Oh shit, Why didn’t I include that we can have come I yeah have I’ve read. Um, no I’ve ah it’s It’s not by them. It’s by one of the by the Rodie Lemon jail.
51:55.90
Dr Patio_Rage
The massive one.
52:00.40
Dr Patio_Rage
Oh yeah, no, no the one I was thinking of was another one which is like ah a history of the replacements which is a fantastic book and it’s just not very ah I don’t know it was too forensic. It was too it was it was too forensic in a way it was even it was too um like.
52:18.17
Dr Patio_Rage
You know goes into every single song on the album but this like it would basically be with this for every tour and every album and you know it’s a bit exhausting. It’s a really good book. Um, but this is basically a biography of um, yeah. Ah, double nickels on the dime which is sort of the game Changer album by minutemen and it’s just a really.. It’s just like it’s a really nice piece piece of short history writing in a way. Um, he really goes into it and he really goes into the book.
52:53.11
Andrew Culture
Those those books those books are great and they’ they’ve got some brilliant writers on that series. Absolutely thoroughly recommend it. We’re gonna have to really nip along here I’m afraid Sam so they’re gonna move on to my next choice. Um, good god I’m not um.
52:56.52
Dr Patio_Rage
Fear.
53:08.21
Andrew Culture
I Wouldn’t guess this.
53:09.59
Dr Patio_Rage
Or shift.
53:39.30
Andrew Culture
It goes It doesn’t change much to be honest I’m I’m going to have to explain the context to this. So if I tell you that song is called an evening of contemporary satar music and it was recorded live.
53:41.62
Dr Patio_Rage
Yeah.
53:57.37
Dr Patio_Rage
Sat here. No ah, you’ve told me about the book here.
53:57.89
Andrew Culture
You want to even have a guess about at the band is spaceman 3 which I realize might not be that. Oh yeah, so the book is spaceman 3 were a band one of those bands that should have been like much more. Much bigger than they were but they’re a bit like they say about velva underground only a thousand copies of the first album sold but those thousand people formed a band I think Spaceman three they very much informed, a lot of the shoeges and and 90 s to mid 90 s and very much now influence a lot of bands. The band split in two very acrimoniously so acrimoniously that the last spaceman 3 album side 1 of the album is by 1 of the guitarists with with a different band and side b is by the other guitarists and sting it with a completely almost completely different band. They were things were that bad but the. The the 2 guys that formed spaceman 3 the and the 2 main one of them went on to form spiritualized who ended up being a a massive are a massive deal and wrote a fantastic album called ladies and gentlemen we are floating in space and the other guy went on to be um hollywood ah hollywood hollywood producer. And soundtrack guy and and music producer. But the book is written by the bassist. A guy called Wil Carruthers and it’s called playing the bass with 3 left hands because they I mean some bands the drug influence is clearly a big part of it and yeah spacemen 3 there are songs.
55:33.36
Andrew Culture
Think they’ve got an album called music to do drugs by or something like that. It’s it’s it’s quite obvious but I was quite shocked at how young the bassist was when he was starred shooting up speed which just as little I know about drugs. You don’t want to do that? um. But I I chose that track because it’s a live recording they did in the entrance to an art center somewhere and they were reasonably popular at the time but it was billed as an evening of contemporary satar music and in the book. Which is hilarious and not that shocking but just a brilliant read will carruthers talks about that gig and it’s a really famous gig and that album’s really famous and you can hear sort of it influenced things like god speed you black emperor just loads of stuff but he talks about they were very very stoned. Um, and. He sat down on his amp and played the whole set and it was only at the end when the imploer started he realized he hadn’t switched his amp on and I love the fact that that it’s they still released it. there’s no base on it he plays the whole way through that there’s no base on it at all but the book is also quite a good warning of just how badly fucked over. You can get be yeah about fucked over. You can be by poor record deals because he was playing on albums and getting nothing nothing at all. Absolutely nothing. He’s literally living in a hedge for six months at one point just a hedge.
57:02.40
Andrew Culture
Not like even a Caravan or like just a hedge. Well worth a read. But I’ll probably probably ah leave that there unless there’s anything you want to question or add to that.
57:11.93
Dr Patio_Rage
Ah, did it make you think differently about their music. That’s a good question. You asked earlier.
57:18.40
Andrew Culture
It did it made me appreciate them more if anything because spacemen 3 are one of those bands that people mention as an influence and I never really got but the way wilcrothers writes does contextualize it completely and utterly it. It was essentially well.
57:21.41
Dr Patio_Rage
The.
57:37.95
Andrew Culture
2 rich kids and and wil brothers who was very much not a rich kid and it didn’t make me feel any better about the 2 other guys in the band. It made me feel better about the music and and what they were trying to do and the exploration there on and how difficult that journey was when nobody was doing. Anything like that at all. So yeah, it did make me appreciate the music more and and I listened to it more even I’ve even listened to the whole of an evening of contemporary sitar music which is about 45 minutes long and has no bass on it right? should we move on to.
57:57.97
Dr Patio_Rage
A.
58:16.13
Dr Patio_Rage
Sure yes.
58:16.83
Andrew Culture
Your last track which is track I was um, just gonna play this one because I was really pleased to see it.
58:53.65
Andrew Culture
Love that where yeah I know that that wasn’t an accident I Love love that so much I actually went through to the other room at home and played the whole thing start to finish because that my I what the satisfaction of hearing it all so who is that.
58:58.41
Dr Patio_Rage
Ah.
59:04.50
Dr Patio_Rage
Ah, such a good album that was the slits with typical girls which they were anything but and um, the book is called I have to read it because it’s quite crazy Tell Vi Albertine was the guitarist. And she wrote a book called ah clothes, clothes, clothes, music, music, music, Boys Boys boys and it is probably to my mind. What I’ve read the best book about the oe Punk Rock scene. Um in the Uk that I’ve read she was. Ah, sort of you know both in the center of it as well as to the side of it and she writes it very evocatively.. It’s a brilliant book I’d say all the books have sort of Chosen. It’s the best written book and ah and also made me realize it did change my idea of.
59:53.59
Andrew Culture
Cool stuff.
59:59.42
Dr Patio_Rage
How the slits work it made me realize the reason why the slit’s first album cut is so good is because you have this absolute madness on top of budgie’s drubbing budgey the good drummer from yeah budgy the drummer from is.
01:00:11.65
Andrew Culture
Oh shares that Budgie have you had his new stuff are he’s doing new stuff. That’s really good.
01:00:17.78
Dr Patio_Rage
No, but he’s he’s the one the drummer from Sushi and the banshis and he’s rock solid doing exactly everything pitch in know, perfect on their album whereas this this sort of like rollicking madness on the top of it and it’s Genius Genius album and it’s a great book.
01:00:26.40
Andrew Culture
Um.
01:00:33.81
Andrew Culture
Rollicking madness.
01:00:37.52
Dr Patio_Rage
Really good book to understand the slits. Not just the slits but the entire punk Rock Squatty teenage bunch of blank as they were.
01:00:47.71
Andrew Culture
Unk I’m really looking forward to reading it’s on my list and I’ve not heard anyone say anything bad about it. It’s it’s it’s um yeah I’ve got to read it. Look forward to it really do I love that song and I that was the aspect of of sort of 70 s punk that I do like I like the I like the the less polished.
01:01:04.74
Dr Patio_Rage
Ah, all it’s the art punk side isn’t it. It’s what’s been called, get this gets sort of sidelined is art punt but it was I think it’s this realization that this friend who put me onto the literature book always but ah my realization of early punk rock The best stuff.
01:01:05.33
Andrew Culture
Side of it as it were.
01:01:22.73
Dr Patio_Rage
Basically middle class kids working together with working class kids and that’s what the clash are. That’s what the slits were. That’s what um you have yeah and because you have these people with the art house sort of perspective and then you have these people with.
01:01:31.93
Andrew Culture
That’s what spaceman 3 were that were just mentioned.
01:01:41.46
Dr Patio_Rage
Want to do great hard and then you have these people who just want to get to the fucking point and rock and it’s a really good medium.
01:01:46.30
Andrew Culture
I just got him just got to mention? Um, yeah, budgie’s new band is. It’s um, him so budgie. It’s lowell tollhurst from the cure and it’s produced by Jack Knifeife lee
01:01:53.62
Dr Patio_Rage
Oh yeah.
01:01:59.11
Andrew Culture
And there’s a single out at the moment that’s got James Murphy from Lcd sound system digging on it. It’s just great. It’s bloody great. They they hear lot holhurst and and budgie were on six music being interviewed and they just sound like they having a hoot just I like. Like it when people that clearly got nothing to prove I mean good god you’ve been in the cure for like 40 years you’ know you’ve not got to convince anyone you you know what? you’re doing and that you’re popular. So the idea that they’re just chucking together an album because they want to just kind of for the fuck of it I really like it’s worth It’s worth looking up right next choice. Is my so that was your last choice and you finished with the the best written book I’m going to finish with what I think is the best written book and it’s written by Louise Wenner from sleeper was never them bigger sleeper fan I used to sort of enjoy them. But yeah, exactly the the book.
01:02:35.14
Dr Patio_Rage
Yeah.
01:02:47.97
Dr Patio_Rage
I’ve heard about the book though.
01:02:51.97
Andrew Culture
Absolutely has maybe changed the way I feel about the band. Although I still don’t listen to him so I’m going to play the track here we go.
01:03:29.88
Andrew Culture
So that that was statuesque by sleeper out of the 4 books I’ve chosen bad vibes made me sort of like Luke Haines in a cheeky chapy kind of way telling stories kind of made me fall in love a little bit with Tim Burgess because he’s he’s just like a big cuddly teddy bear the way he talks. 3 left hands playing bases with 3 left and by wiler others kind of made me think well sort of feel sorry for the guy basically because he still hasn’t made any money just for one day which is the book by Louise Wenna sort of got a bit of boy crush on her now which I think the way she writes. It’s wonderful. She’s ah she’s a brilliant brilliant writer.
01:04:01.73
Dr Patio_Rage
Okay.
01:04:09.48
Andrew Culture
Ah, that genuinely is her talent and she’s written another couple of books I think one of them’s fiction which I need to read because the the context that she gives around the early Brit pop scene and her background and how she felt about it and how they how she navigated through it as a woman at a time where that. Fucking Awful lad culture was very much in play is brilliant and she’s so eloquent and fun and she shits on Blur from a great height, but not not for sensationalism reasons just as a part of a bigger story of how how women in music were treated. At the time and some of it I found quite shocking but not surprising but still shit things like oh you know if you’re going to wear that t-shirt your nipples ought to be hard for photo shit just shit shit stuff. But the way she tells it is not in an apologetic way not in a. Certainly not in a angry way just in a sort. She just lays it out there and it’s really hard to explain and unless you read the book and I imagine there’s there’s similar things in the in the um, the the slits book crap I’ve corner name. Was the name bill. Abertine Yeah I Think the the attitude the sort of from what I’ve heard of the bit of our team book similar attitude in just but out of all of them. It’s the best written book. It’s better than some fiction of of I’ve read and I read difficult things like.
01:05:25.26
Dr Patio_Rage
Oh Vi valbertine.
01:05:44.59
Andrew Culture
3 3 hree-book series by chinese sci-fi rights.
01:05:47.14
Dr Patio_Rage
What hits me about your list and my list is I think the most interesting books are the particularly the autobiographical side of those written by the people who aren’t in the spotlight as much as those well maybe sometimes in the spotlight. But certainly those. Who maybe didn’t do as well as other people did in their further careers because I’ve heard the the what’s he called the guy the basis and the specials I heard his book is great as Well. I.
01:06:19.00
Andrew Culture
You’ve absolutely you’ve you’ve captured something there because they’re the people who didn’t have 20 years of everyone telling them that they’re great and I think that makes it a far more interesting book.
01:06:27.43
Dr Patio_Rage
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and also you know like they also have they’ve also because they’re routing it in a letter they they they have to they’ve done something else since as Well. It’s not just been their life. They understand that it’s not. Not everything or maybe they are just or they maybe they or maybe in some cases they sort of really miss and they think it was after everything but they can’t bring themselves to go to detail.
01:06:47.42
Andrew Culture
Absolutely.
01:06:56.82
Andrew Culture
I don’t want to give away kind of the meat of Louise Wenner’s book. But oh for 1 thing despite having 3 platinum albums they didn’t make a penny because they had the shittest record deal ever. But she she had a long career in education afterwards. So she’s not. She’s not looking back on it as the glory days at all which I think also makes it really interesting. She’s sort comes from a place of gratitude and bewilderment basically a sort of sums up kind of a lot of her feelings on it but very engaging I’ll read it again. It’ll be 1 of those books I come back to? um.
01:07:22.65
Dr Patio_Rage
Oh.
01:07:33.61
Dr Patio_Rage
This has made me actually want to read stuff again. Actually.
01:07:33.79
Andrew Culture
We are well over time here. Sam and I think we might have to do I think we’re gonna have to do this again with with another 8 books because there’s there’s a lot. There’s a lot more here before we go. We have got some correspondence. Yeah well correspondence. Ah.
01:07:44.56
Dr Patio_Rage
What is the correspondence real 1
01:07:52.37
Andrew Culture
Well, the first one I’m going to call correspondence but it was actually a conversation I had at band practice with drum with Dom the drummer in my band and we talked about the secret albums and he pointed out secret album tracks. He pointed out 1 method of finding secret album tracks I’d completely forgotten about. And that’s putting the Cd in pressing plate and then immediately pressing rewind and sometimes you could find a track before the first track like in negative figures I’d completely forgotten that so dom you’re a star and well done for pointing out something really obvious means managed to talk for an hour about without.
01:08:19.00
Dr Patio_Rage
Oh.
01:08:29.94
Dr Patio_Rage
I don’t think I knew about that I’m gonna go to my I’m gonna go to my Cd track now afterwards.
01:08:31.22
Andrew Culture
Without actually bringing up. Oh. There’s something for you to look at look up I do remember it because just but every Cd they just rewind it. Yeah I was I was like shit completely forgot that and we mentioned somebody. The next the next bit of correspondence which was was a message that I got we mentioned somebody called Stuart Boditch in the last episode and I think I’ve mentioned him before is is a friend of mine who who I hope to get on on the show. For fact I have got he is booked in to do an episode with me and he pointed out that. I was saying I don’t understand why bands like pink Floyd did an album that could just go on forever. You know the end of the last track perfectly matching the beginning of the first track and he said 8 tracks he said 8 tracks cartridges would just keep going and going if you left them. So that told me in a nice way. Got that like like that that will learn me, not not like that. No, he’s just said no that that was a thing and I was like so well thank very much Stewart. So there’s 2 bits of correspondence we need more correspondence just email.
01:09:35.89
Dr Patio_Rage
There was also there was also something about ah I swear some people have done this thing where they’ve made an infinite loop at the end of their album.
01:09:44.96
Andrew Culture
Oh yeah, yeah, the um beattles did it on 1 album didn’t they oh know might been pink Floyd with ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha whatever it is. Yeah, it’s like Geese or something right? So we’re.
01:09:50.10
Dr Patio_Rage
Now the third.
01:09:56.49
Dr Patio_Rage
And you’re never entirely sure if the vinyl’s broken or fits intentional.
01:10:01.13
Andrew Culture
Man we we could do another episode on on things that are broken my copy this first stone roses album’s got a skip in the middle of the the first song on the second side which is a a rehash of are you going to scar bra fair but it’s a song of but there’s a song about. Shooting the queen um, and I can’t hear that song without expecting to hear that skip it’s it’s really It’s so ingrained we have run massively over so listeners. Thank you ever so much for sticking with us I hope you found this entertaining and we’re going to wrap it up there. Please do subscribe and like and look us up on Youtube.
01:10:24.43
Dr Patio_Rage
Let’s see.
01:10:38.93
Andrew Culture
Because we’re we’re putting a lot of work into this. Do you think they believe that and the subscriber numbers are going up quite nicely but it would be good to. Yeah yeah, we we are. We are very professional.
01:10:44.38
Dr Patio_Rage
But very professional and very professional I would I would like to make a recommendation for people if anybody wants to tell us what they then riff of the week is that’s also cool that will make life for us a bit easier.
01:11:01.83
Andrew Culture
Well tell us what your favorite band biography books are and why? ah this is eat I’d like the idea of each one of these being being a starting point for a conversation. The ideal thing in my mind would be to do the episode that we release on the Monday and then release ah a sort of a.
01:11:03.30
Dr Patio_Rage
Yeah.
01:11:18.70
Andrew Culture
A a right to reply type thing on the Wednesday just going through the correspondence because I think that that that we want this to be a community thing is music is a a social habit.
01:11:28.87
Dr Patio_Rage
Well I would like people to tell us they’re for the week ah so we can then spend the time telling them that they were wrong.
01:11:36.95
Andrew Culture
Yeah, what right? let’s end on that note thank you very much sam I love you dearly and I thank you very much for listening everyone I’m going to say goodbye Sam would you like to say goodbye. No no, this is very close to the microphone.
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