S01 E21
Are parody bands a pointless waste of our ears, or are they essential to a vibrant musical tapestry?
In this episode of the Beat Motel podcast Dr Sam and Andrew chose eight of their favourite parody bands and then argue about whether they are actually parodies or not.
This episode was a LOT of fun to make!
Riffs of the week
- Chepang – GC (Sam)
- John Coltrane – A Love Supreme Pt III – Pursuance (Andrew)
Andrew’s music choices
- Gentlemen’s Pistols – I wouldn’t let you
- Frank Zappa – Louisiana Hooker with Herpes
- Goldie Lookin Chain – Half Man Half Machine
- The Shirehorses – You’re a bastard
Sam’s music choices
- Good Clean Fun – Song for the Ladies
- Beatallica – And Justice for All My Loving
- Awkwafina – My Vag
- Jud Jud – High Hat song
Bands and acts mentioned in this episode:
- The Big
- Metallica
- Pantera
- Agriculture
- Rush
- No Means No
- Sick of it all
- Thin Lizzy
- Hardskin
- Wat Tyler
- ZEEB?
- The Beatles
- Charles Mingus
Hilariously inaccurate automatic transcript
00:00.00
Andrew Culture
Hey cool kids I’m a bit excited I’ve got Sam here with me hello Sam.
00:03.70
Sam
Hello. It’s nice to be back. It’s nice to have some time to do stuff other than childcare and child wrangle I would say child child herding and child hering. This is my job.
00:09.40
Andrew Culture
Other than childcare and also.
00:17.65
Andrew Culture
Just a bit like this clear this is this is your child. It’s not yeah.
00:23.50
Sam
But you know how do you describe? you know how do you describe taking care of the toddler is quite hard because it.
00:30.71
Andrew Culture
It’s it’s indescribable unless you’ve been there and I ah or my toddler is now much much older than that. But yeah, it’s not really a or teenager herding is just are you going to get out of bed mostly at the moment Anyway, you you repeat motel listeners you you are listening to a music podcast.
00:34.74
Sam
Teenager.
00:48.71
Andrew Culture
And I need to explain something that’s sonically important to this episode. Ah, we’ve got the builders in we’ve got we I’m at home got the builders in no’ve got got the um I ah i’ in my home home studio today speaking to you on a very expensive and very nice microphone.
00:54.57
Sam
That euphemism.
01:07.63
Andrew Culture
Um, so you’re gonna hear every little bit of spittle and everything else in this recording but upstairs in the bathroom we have the builders in because about eighteen years ago I put some tiles up around the shower.
01:21.40
Andrew Culture
And it turns out you’re supposed to replace the grout every now and then otherwise the wall goes soggy and it all turns to ship. Basically so we we haven’t had a bath or a shower for you know, five or six weeks so when when the oh absolutely honk have just been.
01:34.67
Sam
And you must stink is that where you find defendant just East and use the waterwork.
01:40.99
Andrew Culture
Duncan myself I’m coming to Finland to to to just to give give the people in um, give the people in the uk a break from my odor and yeah Sam’s just revealed another little thing there I’m I’m going to visit him and we’re going to probably do an episode about that.
01:48.58
Sam
So.
01:57.10
Andrew Culture
So yeah, that you might hear some banging and crashing around but to keep it on theme the the builder stroke plumber who’s here is Luke from the vand power because musicians are good networkers and if you’re going to get your bathroom repaired in a hurry. Why not use a musician. In fact, it’s quite cool because he’s got a site radio. Like a that’s what it’s called. But yeah, it’s like a makita thing and it’s it was covered in band stickers last time I saw it and this time there’s only 1 sticker left and it’s my mar and scale sticker which is cool because you can’t keep down those stickers. They’re like gaper tape or something.
02:27.60
Sam
And.
02:36.18
Andrew Culture
Right? So do you want to reveal the theme for this episode Sam.
02:38.67
Sam
Ah, yes, today’s episode is going to be about parody bands or parody music depending on how you view the genre and that means bands that or music that um. Sort of is I would say amazingly self-aware about what it’s doing but also making quite a lot of heavy references extremely heavy references to music that has already out there. Um, it’s it’s not just comical music it it needs to be linked to. Certain genres certain styles certain ah certain bands, etc, etc because it’s parody rather than just satire or comedy.
03:24.23
Andrew Culture
Yeah.
03:30.64
Andrew Culture
Ah, as usual, you’ve taken this in quite a deep way which I love you for and it will make it very interesting. But I’ve just done stupid stuff Mostly no I haven’t I’m not gonna I’m not going to go on too much about my choices until you’ve heard them. Oh can you hear that.
03:41.91
Sam
Okay, no I can’t hear that that’s very rhythmical though. So it just fits that it’s experimental music behind Andrew I went’t.
03:46.55
Andrew Culture
Some drilling going on. It’s a throbbing kind of sound. Um I’ve heard some worstings that gigs off played right? so.
04:01.24
Sam
I went to see can once at London Fields Festival can were playing the the crout rock classic legendary cat crout rock band and they did have a man with ah I think basically it was a barrel full of concrete and a drill.
04:19.70
Andrew Culture
Oh man.
04:21.29
Sam
And what’s one of us and they might that up and it was horrendous. Um, and I’ve never really revisited can since but I.
04:30.11
Andrew Culture
It’s one of those things that as an ah audience member I probably go that’s quite interesting, especially because I like well that’s literal music concrete isn’t it. But as a musician I’m thinking some poor bastard had to carry that in. It’s like whenever you see a band with a proper Hammond dog and you think what poor soul had to like lug that in and out of a.
04:44.37
Sam
So he just you just hope I mean you hope the the because the the guy he was doing. It was probably too old to do it himself. You just hope the roddi has a has a good insurance. A good sort of workouts. You know the? ah.
04:46.92
Andrew Culture
Crappy Transit van.
04:57.60
Andrew Culture
And wearing ah a protective truss or something we saw Boredom’s at Atp didn’t we and one of Boredom’s you had kind of a washing up bowl full of utensils and stuff just looked why it sound didn’t sound great and to be honest.
05:06.32
Sam
Oh yeah.
05:15.90
Andrew Culture
So and let’s let’s start on a high point here before we go into our parodies. Let’s have riff of the week first of all, let’s have Sam’s riff of the week now I don’t mean how to pronounce his band name. So do you want to tell us who they are.
05:26.90
Sam
And as far as I know it’s pronounced Japan they are a they call themselves immigrant Paul they’re grindco band really from Nepal who live in New York City in the Usa and they’ve just put out a new album.
05:32.70
Andrew Culture
Um.
05:45.60
Sam
And I really liked the album and I just wanted to share that with people and this is one of the riffs. This is these this the problem with choosing drawing core stuff is that if we do the whole 30 seconds which we do do the whole 30 seconds that can be an entire grand course on. So. But still, let’s do the whole 30 seconds so
06:07.60
Andrew Culture
Let’s do the 30 seconds here we go chopang with this one’s called juicy.
06:39.83
Andrew Culture
Just whoa now the way listeners the way this works when we do riff of the week or any of the music choices or anything I always ask Sam just emmy his choices I then have to go and extract the audio from wherever I can find it. And I was quite surprised that that song is only about a minute and a half long but that 30 seconds encompasses about 4 different parts I thought that was actually quite a broad representation if this tons there but that’s nuts.
07:00.95
Sam
There.
07:08.40
Sam
Yeah, and I this is an interesting album as well. they they did it’s got I thought the vinyl of it and it’s got four sides to it. Ah, the four sides. The first album is pretty much an album as far as I can tell and then the third side.
07:15.22
Andrew Culture
Four sides, there’s that cube.
07:25.85
Sam
Is them collaborating with a load of other people including people from sort of ah you know, sort of quite I Want to say big. There’s no grand called Band apart and na pop and death is probably that big. Um but sort of notable.
07:39.80
Andrew Culture
Then on that big.
07:44.29
Sam
Notable Grindle Band called ah ah great. Ah Grid link. Um, we were quite experimental. Um, the guitarist from that they got drummers I think the drummer from the current death. Ah Mega death drummers on it and they and um and then. The end of it. They remix the whole album. The last side side D They remix the whole album together and it’s just this one sort of experimental piece of music and a lot of the tracks on the site and on the side with collaborations of 2 drummers and so there’s guitarists and bass and drummers.
08:06.33
Andrew Culture
Are.
08:21.51
Sam
And voless everywhere coming in at different things and the then the first album which they just kept to the four or 5 of them I don’t know how many are in the band itself. They did this sort of like ah it’s mixed together. These grandcour songs are mixed together with this sort of floating music. Um, and I played it in front of my my my partner and our child. My partner didn’t like it but our child was having a great time with this pull and push of like this floating sort of ethereal stuff and then sort of the madness of Grandcourt. Ah, for like a minute and a half thirty seconds and then going back to this ethereal stuff. So this this album ah is.
09:04.43
Andrew Culture
Is’s kind of ah it’s ideal toddler music grindco isn’t it is he used to really like metal. Oh I Just doxed my daughter but my daughter used to really like metal when she was younger. She called it big music and she’d always asked for the big music.
09:15.56
Sam
And.
09:19.45
Andrew Culture
Which does make sense. But I mean if anyone’s listening to this who is an into grind core I Remember the first time I heard it and just thought what the fuck is this nonsense but there is so much. There’s so much joy in so much experimentation I mean just what you described about you know the the fourth side of the the record I love stuff like that. There was a.
09:36.80
Sam
Yeah, yeah.
09:39.29
Andrew Culture
A band who I’m I’m hoping to interview the singer off soon. A guy called Ed who was in a band called the big and they were scar band but their second album was a 2 disc jobby and the first one was the scar album and the second one was all the same songs but done in lots and lots of different styles like really notably the same songs like.
09:54.58
Sam
So.
09:57.96
Andrew Culture
Quite deliberately if there was a blues one a folk on ice just such a. That’s just so cool. Um, yeah I’m quite excited by that track. Um I don’t know if I can last a whole album but I’m not sure anyone does sit down with smoker pipe and sip at Brandy whilst listening to a a grind core help and start to finish.
10:17.37
Sam
And I might do it after a long day. Um I did listen to the album First time is it’s I’m trying to disassciociate when I listen to I need sort of mood music when I drive. And so when I listened I can’t listen to metal or particularly grindcore or punk rock when I drive because I get too aggressive but I did listen to that just out of curiosity and I managed to sort of stay in lane and around the speed speed limit.
10:33.10
Andrew Culture
Oh.
10:48.79
Andrew Culture
I Don’t tend to listen to a lot of um, extreme metal when I’m driving mostly because on a motorway Even if you’ve got quite a nice sound system. Just the sonics are just lost and that goes for quite a lot of genres actually but you you lose all the subtlety and and.
11:03.97
Sam
But in that case in that case Andrew if you want to understand Metallica particularly modern Metallica listen to them on the highway I promise you yeah that or doing exercise because they’ve got this.
11:05.50
Andrew Culture
Ah, green. The first time I heard the first.
11:14.79
Andrew Culture
Um, oh really? so they just cut through.
11:21.88
Sam
And they cut through because they have this and pantera might have the the same thing. But if you listen to this is going off track. But if you was I have this theory I was cycling along when I was listening to the new Metallica album and I was listening to all these. These bos headphones these monkey headphones I bought which have a little microphone above your ear rather than beinging in your ear. Your ear is completely ah open to the world around you so sometimes roadworks, traffic, Etc, etc. Drown it out. But when you’re when you can hear the music you need really well-spaced.
11:48.20
Andrew Culture
Are.
12:00.76
Sam
Instrumentation and Metallica’s production since I say the black album has done that better than anybody else and so you can actually so rather than a lot of sort of modern modern like messle with it’s really.
12:08.96
Andrew Culture
Oh my.
12:19.49
Sam
Um, it sounds really good when you’re sat down listening to it in the bus or something like that or at home on a stereo system. Um, but there’s not actually a lot of separation in the drums particularly the drums that all sounds like quite condensed whereas Metallica you can really. Hear the kick and the snare and it really drives you because there’s a lot of space and this is um this is ah going to become my defense of last year is that he is not a great tentacle drummer but he understands space within drumming better than I’d say almost every other drummer around. And therefore when you do something else with Metallica and it’s a bit buzzy. You can actually hear Metallica what the details or the songs are and the other aspect I want to say about the new metallic album. This is my final part of the review this has been in my head is last year and a lot of um who’s the drummer in a lot of. Interviews. You’ve been talking about trying to get into shape with peleton the cycling home cycling kit and my theory is is that he is metallic iss a really good have a really good band to do exercise for because this is how he listens to the music oedits.
13:22.53
Andrew Culture
Um, more.
13:35.87
Sam
When he’s sort of listen to the day’s production. He goes on his peloin bike and he listens to it and he gets into a rhythm with it and actually it really works and Metallica is a really good band to do exercise to because they push and pull rhythms they groove and then they speed up and then they have all these sort of like. So. It’s like you have intense bursts of speed with Metallica these days but then they pull back and they sort of go on this acdc rhythm and then they speed up again and and it’s really good to do exercise because you pace yourself with it. That’s my theory.
14:07.96
Andrew Culture
We are Goingnna we are Goingnna do a whole episode on music to exercise to so I’m goingnna I’m not going to pull at that thread for now I’ve very much enjoyed that though, right? So let’s go on my riff of the week now I’ve chosen somebody who’s very famous for playing saxoophone.
14:13.54
Sam
Yeah, yeah.
14:20.66
Sam
Yes, sorry yes.
14:27.49
Andrew Culture
But the bit I’m going to play. You isn’t the riff for the saxoophone. It’s something I really like about this particular um, just say what it is. It’s John coldtra love supreme can play a bit of part 3 which is pursuance. And one of the things I really love about that album is that obviously the saxophone is the star He’s he’s absolutely the big thing but there’s actually a hell a lot of really really cool stuff going on in the background. So I’m going to play you a bit that. The bass is cool but the bass is largely doing what I would expect to the bass in a John cold train thing to do. It’s doing the walking kind of riff thing which is nice but just listen out for the piano I just thought it was just a cool example of the way the album flows through textures here. We go.
15:44.38
Andrew Culture
What do you think? Oh God I probably shall look that option I um.
15:45.83
Sam
Yeah, it’s amazing. Ah, who’s the pianist. This is this is like a key thing in jazz listening you have to name all the instrument. Ah, the guy called Mccoy to and as let is sort of a legend in his own right.
15:59.53
Sam
But yeah, it’s really I think actually that’s a really nice way of listening to jazz as highlighting sort of just listen to this section actually listen to jazz in 30 seconds yeah good
16:10.42
Andrew Culture
Ah, yeah, it’s a horrible tease I know I’m just looking up who the who the who the drum um pianist Draws Piano no help if I could spell piano.
16:23.73
Andrew Culture
Ah, boocks if I can find it oh well, that’ll leave people screaming. They can go look it out. Can’t they everyone if try to use Google um, confusingly on on the Wikipedia page though. It’s got a picture of Colla Suntax on tap carlos san tanner.
16:37.42
Sam
So are you sure you’re looking at the right thing.
16:39.52
Andrew Culture
Who I’m hang on. There’s picture of like the a team on this page and like there’s some sort of vegetable peeling. Ah no I don’t know what the hell I’m looking at let’s let’s move on. Um, what blew my mind when I clipped that when I when I kind of got the audio.
16:45.50
Sam
So.
16:54.20
Sam
Assisted.
16:57.69
Andrew Culture
So I was listening to it and yeah, yeah, yeah, listening to the tinkly bit. Ah yeah, the the sort of the melody line of the piano but the left hand the things the things that’s doing I’m assuming it’s 1 take I’m pretty sure all those albums were live if that’s one take the separation that. That pianist has got in their head between what their left hand is doing and what the right hand are doing is absolutely mind-lowing you and I both play base where you play Bas. You do a string you do a string that shows how skilled I am you do a string with your string doing plucking hand and then the other hand on on the bendy bit the string.
17:21.00
Sam
And.
17:32.96
Andrew Culture
The the pointy along the neck is kind of mostly happening at the same time unless you’re doing hammerons or slides or something but he’s doing 2 people’s jobs. It’s like sometimes I think some musicians get should get paid twice like you see drummers of um, well actually most black metal bands I think the drummer should get paid more.
17:40.93
Sam
I Yeah yeah.
17:52.28
Andrew Culture
They’re doing consider but considerably worse or death a and they just like the the drummers put it really putting in the work.
17:54.84
Sam
They’re filling in that year yeah
18:00.67
Sam
I think that’s a fair point. But yeah, there’s ah back in the baist resistance our drummer will he bless him at one point I think in a practice was trying to do a drumbeat where his I think ambition at 1 point was to try and get every lin. Doing a different time signature.
18:19.72
Andrew Culture
Ah, one man polyhythms.
18:22.92
Sam
Yeah, yeah, and there are people who do that I think rush the drummer the Neil Perch was Neil per the rushar I think he he did that sort of thing of like you know and I’m pretty sure so Steve Copeman does that sort of thing. Ah.
18:26.81
Andrew Culture
The.
18:40.14
Sam
But yeah, if it but that’s prog rock and you know that’s.
18:43.19
Andrew Culture
It is but Neil perp break breaks the golden rule of drummers generally the bet of the drummer. The few of the drums they have a lot of the drummers I really really like just have play a 3 piece or a 4 piece really small kits but Neil Pert Looks like he’s trying to build himself a defensive all against an army of oncoming Hawks or something I think he went into the drum shop and said I’ll take the shop.
19:04.57
Sam
That’s that’s you um God God Bless Roto Toms Ah those are those toms for people who don’t know those are those toms that you can you can tune as you play them. And they go did do Dooooo Do. Do do do do um and the Pri drums very into them. But these are also very into Nil put ah we should do. That’s another thing drummers and you know, ah v.
19:32.00
Andrew Culture
All right right? I need to I need to make a note of this I’m Goingnna do it now you’ probably hear me clicking on the keyboards carry on sorry you don’t need to.
19:42.15
Sam
And no, no as um, but here I know I think your point about Mcloy Turner the the pianist in that track John Coldfield yeah he was um, he’s very ah yeah, well.
19:44.57
Andrew Culture
Where I’ve got back. We’ve got.
19:52.14
Andrew Culture
Um, ah you found it? Well done.
19:59.35
Sam
Can you say about him I have I have no lexicon to talk about jazz. Frankly, he is a good Tonka Plinka Ponka very impressive
20:08.51
Andrew Culture
I do I know someone who um I’m kind of plundering and a group of friends at the moment for for guests and I’m recording late today with someone we’re Goingnna do an episode on the fall. But I am I sorry my phone was ringing in my ear then so I’ll just switch that off. I have got a friend who’s done I seen him do a really good talk on jazz. So I’m gonna hopefully get him along at some point. But yeah, good plinkkylonki right? Look we’re 20 minutes in and we haven’t even started on the parodies yet. So I think we ought to just kind of forge on and this is your first choice the first front oh man, what is it people keep ringing me. I’m going to put my phone on flight mode now because that’s 2 calls in a row and then I’ll forget it’s on flight mode and have a lovely peaceful day right? That’s done right? then? So yeah I was really surprised with your first choice because it’s not a band i’d.
20:55.13
Sam
Um.
21:03.77
Andrew Culture
I Don’t see them as a parody band. So the band is good, clean, fun and the track is song for the ladies I’ll play it and then ah I’m gonna give you a little bit of jab in the ribs to explain yourself then explain he yourself here. We go.
21:47.82
Andrew Culture
I’ve just realized why I was so surprised because I was confusing. Good, clean, fun with no means no and our thinking God they sound really different to what I’ve heard before but there also like where’s that lovely kind of anyway. Good clean, fun song for the lady. So.
21:50.50
Sam
Yeah.
22:03.10
Sam
Gone for ladies they are early two thousand s ah hardcore parody Band they are I see I see them as a corrective to and hardcore really needs this every sorting because it’s very in merit to use an americanism. Very.
22:04.65
Andrew Culture
Go for it.
22:20.60
Sam
A genre a scene that is very easy that it very easily falls into this bro sort of ah lots of I went So there’s a great line. Um, and it’s a bit homophobic these days. There’s a line in a cyclical. Um.
22:39.29
Sam
Ahcyclo Ah, between in the song between but and between some banter ah syco all album which is their live album a life album which was the the singer who seems like a cool guy I don’t think he is homophobic. So but the line is just the lines dated essentially.
22:54.74
Andrew Culture
I’d be well still shot.
22:58.20
Sam
It basically says this let’s hear it full of ladies here because otherwise basically this would just be a bunch of topless men rubbing themselves against each other. Um, but so so this band I still see.
23:06.50
Andrew Culture
That’s not hoberhoic. It’s just true. It’s by. It’s funny. So.
23:15.79
Sam
You know, sickable e sickable sort of they’ve fallen into this mac show bullshit culture and hardcore needs this corrective every so often of like or any genno any sort of Punk Rock male dominated gennore really needs a corrective and good. Clean, fun with quite a nice sort of. They did. They wrote really catchy hardcore punk songs in that early two thousand s style 1990 s style and they sounded great the grand really great ah gang choruses that you’ll catchy really well sort of put together song. But all the lyrics were sort of I think it captures a really good part of parody which is that it is a parody bands tend to be in love with the music they’re taking the piss out of and there’s a lot of love there for hardcore. But there’s also a lot of like stop taking yourself so seriously guys you are. Also stop being arsholes. Okay.
24:15.25
Andrew Culture
What good good good message I can get behind that. Um, it’s just made. It’s it’s made me think that for a lot of the choices and obviously like I know what’s coming up a lot of the choices. the the lyrics the vocals are really what makes it parody. There is 1 exception which is going to be my first choice actually. But yeah, if it’s not for the lyrics. So if you couldn’t understand the language that that they’re singing then how would you know it’s parody which means we’re missing out on a lot of non-english language. Parody music.
24:49.55
Sam
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah I think ah so is and you know that’s the thing of like not knowing understanding. That’s always scared me about listening to music of language I don’t understand. Um.
25:06.92
Sam
In a way of sort of like is there a joke here that I’m not getting or if I think this is a bit of a joke is that offensive. Um, and this is ah you know like this always sort of a thought that goes through my head when I listen to particularly highly stylized. Ah music and that’s but where the singer is not singing in English um.
25:31.94
Andrew Culture
Ah, but we’ve got a note to to do an episode about the best songs not sung in english I think it’s it’s a really interesting thing but 1 of the choices I was going to make for listeners if you’ not heard before we got four choices each year I was going to choose plastic Bertram Band with Sampllan Po noir
25:49.90
Andrew Culture
Which as I understand it is taking the piss out of throwaway punk music and it became a throwaway punk music hit quite brilliantly. But I thought that’s not in english but. Won’t pull it that third anything to add on a song for the ladies by good, clean, fun before we move on. Okay, so next one this is a band I think you were with me when I saw this band supporting the sword. This is gentlemen’s pistols with I wouldn’t let you and.
26:05.74
Sam
So no, it’s good. Let’s go.
26:19.82
Andrew Culture
My God It was difficult to choose a track from this band because some of the riffs are so good. But anyway I will shut up and I will click the thing and we will listen to Gentlemen’s pistols I wouldn’t let you.
27:17.89
Andrew Culture
I I really enjoyed that but I was flicking through the tracks this is gentles pistol’ threw an album called atham at her Majesty’s pleasure I think and when I was flicking through the tracks trying to choose which one my wife and the other rooms trick this is brilliant. What’s this because it is. It’s really good.
27:19.47
Sam
Service citizen.
27:37.50
Andrew Culture
Vocals I mean it’s clearly. Ah it’s ah a pastiche of I guess early seventy s thin lizzy rock you know rock with ah with an ah r a w k but when we saw them live. It’s played with such perfect observance. Even even the signal had like a Bob cut like a purdy cut. And the instruments they’re wearing and the sound they were just so spot on that I kind of have to think well is it parody or is it just ah, just that thing that metal bands do where where you choose a genre and you just try and do it better than everyone else does it I mean the lyrics are absurd which I think is well.
28:10.15
Sam
So.
28:14.45
Andrew Culture
Probably does make them a parody pan.
28:14.67
Sam
But this I think this is goes iing this is that question of like nothing new or you have a good point like the music is. Both sort of a loving homage to it. But also it is sort of go. It is very self-a awarere. But and I think that self-awareness is what brings parody into account. You know that’s a but that is mostly transferred I feel not almost made most obvious with. Um, most obvious with parody ah with ah the lyrics and I’ve also just remembered 2 bands that I wish I’d included on the list and I did it so I’m sorry yeah, what Tyler? um and hard skin I’m sorry you should have been here.
28:57.43
Andrew Culture
That’s the curse of doing this isn’t it.
29:06.20
Sam
Particularly hard skin who whose second album is one of my favorite is probably the only oy album that I actually like um and anyway sorry back to this? Yeah but I mean and and so much of. I was going to ask you? What do you think Stand makes them stand out compared to say other bands that are doing this style of music today. Yeah.
29:26.58
Andrew Culture
Probably because they’re they’re not massively seriouss I went through a phase of reading classic rock magazine because I never really apart from led Zeppelin I never really got that kind of 7 s rock thing. It just passed impulsory bikes I wasn’t fucking born.
29:29.92
Sam
And.
29:45.00
Andrew Culture
Um, but yeah I never got it So I went through a phrase of reading classic Rock Magazine treating it almost as as you might a historical journal or something and I think the writing is really it was a joy just to read So I never I could pick out thin lizzy I could probably only pick out a few tracks. But.
30:01.37
Sam
And.
30:03.62
Andrew Culture
There are bands going now that do it and take it very very seriously which is not my place to judge anyone for that. But because you and I from a slightly more extreme or more punk thing are always looking for people who push the envelope and doing it with all seriousness in 2023 doesn’t interest me. In the slightest whereas doing it in the way that gentle’s pistols. Do it I mean just starting and immediately going into the Jewel guitar thing. It’s just and then the Junkjunk Good junk. The whole album is is full of cliches in in the most brilliant way. But it’s that yeah, it’s that self-awareness.
30:34.45
Sam
And.
30:42.66
Andrew Culture
I think makes makes it entertaining. Yeah I don’t I don’t really there I see bands all the time. Um I did an episode a while ago about ibpswich music day. It’s full of bands trying to do rock seriously and I I just couldn’t give a ship could not give a shit at all I want.
30:53.75
Sam
See Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it.
31:01.43
Andrew Culture
Um, want someone wearing a paisley shirt with ah with Bob Bob haircut well
31:03.55
Sam
But I think this is the thing is that like this is why I think Parody is also about the love of the music because it is sort of going you have to take that self-awareness and be and do it very self-aware but also really like. I don’t give through shit what people think of me aspect as Well. There’s so like ah there’s ah, there’s a contradiction inherent in it of like you have parody has to know what it’s doing but also not give a shit enough to to do it well and has to not give a shit enough to think.
31:22.23
Andrew Culture
Are.
31:41.20
Sam
Things through that much and to Self-edit you know at.
31:46.82
Andrew Culture
Core yeah I wasn’t going to raise it but 1 of my bands ah Zeb we did a a parody album and we decided not to sell censor at all and I’m kind of a little ashamed of it now. Yeah now.
31:58.88
Sam
And.
32:04.26
Andrew Culture
Ah, look back and think actually there was nothing Nasty. So nothing nothing that that I would be really ashamed of but just the use of language and and when we sent it out for Review. We got absolutely ripped to ship because we didn’t make it clear enough that it was. Ah, parody or a comment we were commenting on stupid Bloke Rock Basically but we clearly didn’t make that clear and we got some very nasty things said about us. Yeah, um I can remember it’s called Gargantuan something. But.
32:26.97
Sam
So. Was that your second album.
32:38.40
Sam
And I think’s I think despite the lyrics. That’s my favorite loud yours. Oh so. What’s this. What’s the lyric about Johnny Cash there’s not go. It’s not repeat. Note I just no midwin it the no no network.
32:52.46
Andrew Culture
She’s she’s is one of the few I remember um you don’t don’t want to say it to you but up.
32:56.94
Sam
Ah, if if anybody wants that if anybody wants I’m sure this this album’s available on bandcam and and Andrew can put link to it. Give yourself a treat for self-discovery and make your estimations andrew full considerably. Yeah.
33:03.58
Andrew Culture
Um, it is of that. Go.
33:12.40
Andrew Culture
Drop drop through the floor. Ah God now musically that the album was a blast because we we set out to do a very specific thing and it was to just make something. Ah yeah.
33:15.16
Sam
But.
33:20.64
Sam
The riffs are great on that album the good the sounds. It’s seriously I think the the joy in playing of that and this is the thing I think what happens with of the best parody dance is the joy of playing music. And repeat and it just comes through like okay we’re taking the piss out of it. But at the same time come On. You’re not, You’re not going to do it because you dislike the basis of the music you dislike. Maybe what it you know it has become when it takes itself too seriously. But this is parody is a corrective and it’s a necessary one. I Think that.
33:55.29
Andrew Culture
I had more fun on stage during that second album kind of phase than I did at any other time and in that band I think apart from the initial kind of burst of suddenly people actually liking something I was making but on stage it it was it was a ah riot. Because we were like right I want to write a song that’s got a bit on bass where I can just use bass corrds and I can just really fucking grind it then in this other song I want ah I want a shredding bass solo where there really doesn’t need to be 1 and it was it was great fun the problem we had is that.
34:26.30
Andrew Culture
We built up such a head of pressure for people expecting that kind of thing that when the third album came and we didn’t want to do that anymore. We made an album that kind of sucked. It’s not great. Um, although that saying it does end with a 15 minute long bass solo that was just me playing.
34:39.75
Sam
The.
34:42.54
Andrew Culture
Which even I have not listened to since we recorded it because who would want to listen to that Anyway, we we ought we ought to move on. Um, so next choice from you is ah is it Beatlica but Beat Talllica beat.
34:44.64
Sam
And.
34:53.30
Sam
Beat talica beat ala no beat Alika.
35:00.67
Andrew Culture
Aica right? I don’t know what Alic has’s done to deserve that but the song is justice for all my loving goding.
35:36.38
Andrew Culture
God is still going on so your reaction to that because listeners Sam and I can see each other through the magic of the interwebs about 5 seconds in you laughed and then you stopped laughing and you started looking at something.
35:40.51
Sam
Oh.
35:55.37
Andrew Culture
Something else on your on your desk or something which I think for that kind of that type of parody Band I I Yeah you kind of go Oh that’s amusing and that’s it.
36:02.97
Sam
Ah, no I know I I they were. They’re bandned there. They are quite obviously a mixture of the beateles and Metallica and they use I think mostly beateles cored changes over metallica rhythms. And I have a deep endearing love for them because they were a band that I sort of discovered in the early 2000 and sort of the I wouldn’t say I was in the middle ages of the the dark ages of of downloading stuff on the internet but they put all their stuff up to 3 at the time. And um I was I was actually looking up when they were originally around because it was that 2001 period and I loved it as a sort of ah, a weird art project again, it’s sort of the love of the Beatles and metallic had come through it sort of you know. That thing James the the the vocalist is more James Hetfield than James Hetfield ah in in a way and um, and yeah, it’s just such a ridiculous sort of concept. But at the same time I grew up in Beatles because my mom loved big Beatles and. First music teacher. Loved the Beatles so we send beatles songs at school during our like music lessons when I was five years old and so I grew up with the beaters all of these melodies and then to hear them transposed to this rhythm that you know meant so much to me is growing up as a teenager. The Metallica rhythms.
37:28.45
Andrew Culture
Um.
37:39.16
Sam
Um, Thrash Rhythms. It’s sort of like it was like oh this is just fantastic and just it’s I Just find it quite an exciting strange thing and yeah I loved it. I probably haven’t listened to it since those days but I still have this enduring sort of it’s a nostalgic thing for me and I Think. In a weird way. That’s what they are as a band of sort of endearing nostalgia. Um, yeah, so.
37:59.62
Andrew Culture
Um.
38:05.34
Andrew Culture
I I am when I when I clipped it I thought right that song fair enough and I thought surely they can’t drag this out that long. Although it does kind of work. It does kind of make sense. So I start.
38:16.40
Sam
And oh how many albums have they got now they’ve got one they’ve got 1 2 3 4 they’ve release 4 albums including 1 the Devolver album.
38:27.95
Andrew Culture
Ah, it’s it’s the names that that I really like they they they work so nicely for like making things I thought they’re sort of slightly motorhead as well as being kind of slightly metal but to pulver oh so.
38:33.36
Sam
Yeah, yeah.
38:42.88
Sam
Yeah, they they have um, the okay this is a title this is ep’s included a garage day’s night. Ah beatallica self-titled Sergeant Hetfields Motor Breath Pub band yeah
38:55.80
Andrew Culture
That’s my favorite. That’s my favorite title. That’s awesome. That’s so good.
38:59.20
Sam
But all you look I you need is blood. Ah masterful mystery tour winter Plunderland aby load I like that one and the devolver. Um, hey dude. Oh yeah, that’s a great That’s a great one.
39:08.93
Andrew Culture
I like hey hey, hey, dude, just so fucking obviousious oh man. Ah, although I think I this yeah sergeant Hepfield’s motor breath.
39:18.35
Sam
Um.
39:22.96
Andrew Culture
Whatever the rests is good. But I think I think one of my favorites as well. I I want to choke your band. Ah oh god Leper Madonna I mean is it kind of it just writes itself I but guess they’re gonna run out with beatetle homels at some point but just.
39:26.66
Sam
Um.
39:38.57
Sam
I Yeah I Yeah I have they’re nostalgic listened to me. But I also think that they prove to sort of like an interesting project because they also prove that you can play very melodic chord changes at that pace.
39:42.90
Andrew Culture
Wow! just.
39:57.80
Sam
And why more people don’t do that sort of thing is is sad to me I think they should be. Ah yeah.
40:03.90
Andrew Culture
Oh you just meant just as a whole in metal. Um, yeah I’ve never really learned music theory behind things you get that that thing where people write oh the chord progressions IVV I something but I don’t.
40:13.80
Sam
Yeah, yeah.
40:17.17
Andrew Culture
Understand what that is and that’s probably quite clear the music I make but yeah that thanks for that that that was entertaining. Sorry its to the helterkelter. It’s helvester of Skelar just just what? ah dear blackened the blackened the Ussr.
40:27.31
Sam
Yeah, but.
40:34.58
Sam
So.
40:37.10
Andrew Culture
Oh just just marvelous I mean just just look at them up I like everyone’s got a ticket to ride except you I think is what it is I’m good I got have to click on it. Nos, everyone’s everyone’s got a ticket to ride except for me my lightning stuck ah just cramming together like. Doing compound like Germans have compound verbs where they just join words together to make big words. That’s basically that’s what they’re doing with ah with Beateles titles. Yeah, my my life feels up.
41:02.27
Sam
Um, but it’s marvellous. It’s marvelous and they are joy. They are joy to listen to because they play me. You know they do exactly if you like the pets and you like Metallica listen to beatlica.
41:16.86
Sam
You will be dished and.
41:17.49
Andrew Culture
Um, it’s like an 80 s tbow in a Tv commercial. Oh man available only by Mell Lord um right let’s have but that’s our another one now we’re sticking with the Beatles and this clearly isn’t the Beatles this is Frank Zapa and you mentioned earlier about the dark days or the good days of of downloading when when Napster first came around I know late must be in early 2001 of the things I really loved about it and 1 of the things that I miss is that you would find these rarities. You’d find things that you just didn’t even know existed. And I’m quite amazed I managed to track this down so this is ah Frank Zappa with Louisiana Hooker with herpes.
42:01.91
Sam
And.
42:33.50
Andrew Culture
So there you go now 30 seconds doesn’t do that justice because for 1 thing it’s the genius of Frank Zappa and you know his band is without a doubt going to be better musicians than than the Beatles they’re just.
42:34.00
Sam
Food isn’t it.
42:48.61
Andrew Culture
Fucking phenomenal everything whether it’s mother’s invention or just anything else. He does. That being said I’m not a diehard fan I think a lot of it’s quite inaccessible. But if you look up the whole of that song. It’s. What they’ve done. They’re not just going her. We’ve put rude words in, we’re putting sex words in it is they’ve actually crafted the whole song into a whole nother story of a Tv evangelist being caught out and it’s beautifully structured. Yeah they’re fucking around and they’re going hurt listen we’re saying herpes.
43:12.32
Sam
This.
43:21.42
Andrew Culture
But there’s a bit more to it than that I mean that I but assume there is only live versions. That’s all I could find I mean the the swany whistle though I can’t do an impression of a swany whistle I mean stuff like that is is a bit a bit kind of on the nose if that’s the right the right phrase. But.
43:28.57
Sam
This this bit.
43:39.72
Sam
Yeah, well this is interesting I mean I with you I believe ah I never got into Frank Zapha that much I tried I think he’s ah but he does he does.
43:40.10
Andrew Culture
Askra It’s Franks Zapra can do what he wants.
43:56.87
Sam
He pastiged a lot I like his Ruben the um said rububen and the jets I like that album fly a lot. Um because I don’t I do think he he was sort of is he parody is he comedy is he overly serious I don’t think he was ever overly serious I think he was very intellectual for.
44:08.61
Andrew Culture
No, that don’t think that could be leveled at Frank’s effort
44:13.35
Sam
And I think I think a lot of his times his lyrics have aged quite badly. Um from because he he I don’t know if he was a misogynist but they come over as quite misogynistic sometimes and.
44:26.67
Andrew Culture
He I’ve been reading gave up on it because I think it it was a bit dreadful but um, the famous groupy book can’t remember the name of the person who wrote it and there’s a lot of there’s a lot about Frank Z Zappa in that um he.
44:32.52
Sam
And.
44:43.31
Andrew Culture
He formed a band or he encouraged these these girls kind of group piece to a former band I come come remember they’re called girls together outrageously and no I think he actually came across as quite quite the opposite. He was quite nurturing.
44:54.73
Sam
And.
44:59.76
Andrew Culture
When people getting this all from this one book called Im with the band. He’s quite nurturing in that until a couple of them get into heroine and then he basically excommunicates them.
45:09.55
Sam
And oh yeah I think I can imagine he’s being quite puritan. Yeah I mean yeah, it’s and it yeah I sort of.
45:13.77
Andrew Culture
And Herod heroin is pretty bad I mean I don’t think anyone here is listening going. We’ll give it a go.
45:29.22
Sam
I think tracks happen to me is one of like he’s he’s sort of like ah he’s one of those artists I guess in the same way like I would say I appreciate Jackson Pollock I’m glad someone did the experiment I’m not sure I really want to sit spend that much time with it. So.
45:40.60
Andrew Culture
Are.
45:46.98
Andrew Culture
That that’s yeah, that’s a really good. A really good um summary. The only album I own is one of the late 60 s mother’s inventions album which is a live album called just another band from l a.
45:57.51
Sam
And.
46:02.54
Andrew Culture
Which is only has about four songs on it. But the first song is about 40 minutes long called Billy Billy the mountain and it’s it’s basically a whole opera thing. Brilliant.
46:04.52
Sam
And yeah, well this is this is you know this is the thing I think him and Charles Mingis did this really interesting thing was Charles Mingus was trying to breach a guess along the following the footsteps of Duke Culington brute sort of the line between position and jazz Fran Zapper was trying to breach the line between and this is based on very little information I’m sorry chinese Frank Sapper fans but in my understanding say sort of was between the lines of um of basically sort of that. Rox scene and composition as well. It was you know he was an incredible composer I just don’t particularly understand the music and that’s not my but don’t think that’s that’s particularly wrong. But.
46:57.55
Andrew Culture
Ah I think one day I’ll get it this. There’s several bands I feel that way about the clash being one of them because where he’s interesting. Jimmy page was quite talented and he showed that off live. By just playing as many notes as he could. It’s just pollocks as I’ll make any sense that you really Believeev really believe we aren’t it I don’t get that whereas Frank Zaapppa appears to have almost too much restraint anyway and enough Frank Zaapppa chap I can’t find a link between Frank Zaer and and your next choice.
47:21.30
Sam
So.
47:31.65
Andrew Culture
Um, ah you know I’m going to play it and you can explain it afterwards here we go boo.
47:33.27
Sam
Okay, okay.
48:10.24
Andrew Culture
Aquafina with my vage so Sam.
48:13.47
Sam
It’s It’s so Nice. It’s so nice to hear a woman. Ah you know, talk about the strengths of her vagina. Um, because so often in hip hop. It’s just you know, big Dicks everywhere whereas this is all about.. How wonderful pussies are excuse the the word and I don’t have much to add to it I think it’s a parody of it’s I think it is. It’s a sort of a cover of a track from some other wrapper I’ve no idea about and. Just heard this song and it just made me laugh quite a lot and um I just thought it was a really good take really sort of but very pure I’ll take on the whole sort of dick swinging that gets that goes on a little bit too. Well it goes on far too much for my taste and ah.
49:06.34
Andrew Culture
All aspects of life.
49:10.25
Sam
And all aspects of life and it’s just like oh no, this is called. She’s cool. Ah this is funny and it’s and and genuinely funny lyrics again, you know and it’s sort of I don’t know. Yeah.
49:13.31
Andrew Culture
Yeah I think.
49:27.12
Sam
I Just really liked the sort of the take on it. It was felt fresh fresh at the time.
49:32.71
Andrew Culture
It’s interesting because when I first heard it I just took it on face value and just kind of thought well this is quite cool. But so the the more it sort of Mulls over in my mind the the cooler I think it is because it’s not. I am a cisgender white male here. But it’s not It’s not saying hey I’ve got the solution. This is the answer It’s just going look this is a fun little thing that we’re just we’re just gonna muck around with and.
49:55.37
Sam
I yeah, don’t come don’t cool. Woman’s vigil and is fun little things the 2
50:02.70
Andrew Culture
Right? Let’s let’s let’s move on to something something very very silly. But when I heard it I was surprised just how much I realized Buck’s sake Sam
50:19.87
Sam
I’m sorry.
50:45.20
Sam
No.
50:54.62
Andrew Culture
Just Goldie looking chain with um, half man half machine I chose I found difficulty choosing choosing a which 30 seconds of that track. But that one encompassed the line like cpthree o but with pubes and hair and. Just I love the the way he does the robot for it just by adding like an s to the end of it. It doesn’t really make a liquor fucking sense at all but eyes am za’s robots I don’t know why it just that’s that’s old now and and you know I guess ah other people might have chosen your mother’s got a penis.
51:14.96
Sam
This.
51:30.82
Andrew Culture
As the track but I didn’t choose that because that’s it’s still funny but it’s just too. It’s too obvious this guide dressing up as a robot to go to the shop and buy 10 fags is just I there’s something so so british about it I just it’s so ah, like the aspiration. It’s not like.
51:42.92
Sam
This.
51:48.89
Andrew Culture
Ah, the other line like terminator being filmed in heaven there but just not like hey I’m a robot we’re gonna take over the world. It’s like I’m a robot and I’m going to come buy not even 20 fags just 10 just it’s just so I don’t know it’s so basic and amazingly that was on there on eastw west you know.
51:58.50
Sam
Yeah.
52:06.60
Andrew Culture
Big label with ah a proud proud history and the production on that is is ropey as shit’s I don’t know why they they didn’t do it better. But East-w West have a bit of a there’s another band which which is going to be my last choice who did the same thing album on eastwest was shot production.
52:11.74
Sam
I.
52:25.92
Andrew Culture
Second album on the eastwest with good production that didn’t do as well. So maybe maybe the producers are just geniuses but I like the whole Goldie look and chain story. It is a bunch of knobs. It’s a bunch of blokes. Its I did a wuang episode a few few weeks ago about american saga.
52:27.79
Sam
So.
52:45.20
Andrew Culture
Which incidentally the third season is brilliant if anyone’s not started watching it yet. But a thing I like about that rior in that basically gathers friends together and he he gets them to improve each other and like yeah outwrap each other and is his very much his collective and it’s a similar story of a goldy-looking chain as I understand it is someone who was taking hip- hop very seriously. And just but fancyed down and a laugh with his mates and I’d like to find out more but when I was using Twitter more I’d follow them on Twitter and’re they’re just funny they they’re just they’re just amusing kind of. We saw them at reading festival they were they were filling in for someone who dropped out and.
53:12.66
Sam
This is.
53:23.28
Andrew Culture
They hi loads of invalid carts that did them up and were like racing round red vegetable um them clearly like a band is like hey we’ve suddenly got money but we’ve never we don’t what to do with it. So just kind of fuck around I mean do you have anything to add about Goldie looking chain.
53:41.58
Sam
ah no ah I thought it was interesting and I was like yeah I think the self-awareness in hip hot can go 2 ways you can go like the sort of.
53:57.94
Sam
Empowerment way in a way which I think the Aquafffin a version becomes ah you can just go like the stupid but funny and I think I think I personally think there’s something very brutish about the sense of humour that gold the chain espouses and. I Think you wouldn’t it wouldn’t translate anywhere else because it’s sort of yeah, it’s there’s something of the small town humor in it and it is Fantastic, Fun. And yeah.
54:34.67
Andrew Culture
Ya who I’m I’m guessing none of them made millions. Although weirdly maggot one of them who I think is the 1 raping as the robot went on to win celebrity. Big brother is very straight.
54:36.57
Sam
I Just don’t think the Americans would really get it. So.
54:52.85
Andrew Culture
But it’s cool. Actually he came across cool as shes just seemed such ah ah, ah a proper human being rather than ah you know a pasticia a human being and you lets let’s move on because your next track is someone I’d never heard or called Jud Judd and the track is high hat song and I don’t know if I got the right version or not but I’m going to play it and then I can ask Sam why he’s gesturing at me in the way hes here we go.
55:49.10
Andrew Culture
Is that I can’t read so what go it’s I think it’s fred is what the fuck is that I mean is is that the right version because this is the demo version. Oh.
55:52.88
Sam
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, this is Acapella a Capella um a capella hardcore. Yeah.
56:04.39
Andrew Culture
Ah, hard callre is that what it is I thought it’s like technical I thought it’s I couldn’t figure it out I thought it was techno or something and when I cloned the album. This’s a lot of songs I thought right? Maybe this is just like an intro track or so so I flick through it’s all the fucking same. It’s all that. Are they saying Judd in all of the tracks as well and I found this untidled I didn’t have to like go digging for it. It was very accessible.
56:24.43
Sam
You? Yeah yeah, yes, yes. And it’s called the Hi hat song because it’s got in it.
56:34.29
Andrew Culture
Ah, just how did you? what? how did you even know that exists.
56:40.49
Sam
My friend Andy our friend Andy when I lived with him very briefly I believe for this one I lived with him very briefly. There was a punk rock shop in Brightdeon which is very sadly closed down and Punk Rock workloads shop um a punka bunker. Um.
56:50.29
Andrew Culture
Which one but Bunker bunker. Yeah.
56:57.00
Sam
And this is this is this is a demo released on no idea and no idea do were sort of like the the American label at the time they put out against me. They put out a whole host of other bands. Um.
57:03.24
Andrew Culture
Um, nowhere really are.
57:13.58
Sam
Who were great and then they also put out this really weird a capella hardcore thing. Um and again and apparently they did they did actually they did it live as well. And yeah.
57:23.96
Andrew Culture
I Just would love to see that being a hardcore show and just seeing that in in the middle. That’s what that’s what that’s what you should do if you make money from a label. You should put out weird shit that is absolutely what you should do.
57:31.69
Sam
And. And yeah stuff that makes you laugh and again, it’s like I kick myself now because I’ve forgot about what Tyler and Hardkin but judge other are just like they also taking the piss again. It’s like goodling fun but just an extreme version of it. Because they they have the whole Xes between the names which is why I was holding my hands up in there. So.
57:53.63
Andrew Culture
Cheaper to record oh I get it now I couldn’t figure out why why the demo had Xes all over it now I know it’s hardcore that makes total sense. Yeah.
58:02.99
Sam
Yeah, and and this it’s all linked to the straight edge movement and there’s a certain aspect of the straight edge movement which takes itself so period was so seriously in the same way that a lot of black metal bands take themselves So seriously that just leads them to parody.
58:19.31
Andrew Culture
Yeah, oh God it’s It’s so it’s so easy. It’s not like black metal just like why bother? You don’t need a parody black metal band because there are black metal bands doing it doing it without knowing their parodies.
58:22.59
Sam
And.
58:29.30
Sam
And ah, no exactly and this is sort of it’s also the say you know it’s the sort of the same and it’s just a. It’s just I don’t know it’s a joyous weird piece of culture.
58:42.62
Andrew Culture
Just wild that that.
58:46.30
Sam
You know, late early two thousand s culture. Wonderful weird. What the fuck was going on but they actually put that out and.
58:51.56
Andrew Culture
Ah, that’s just wow. Thank you Sam this is this has been this has been really good fun but we are running at a time. So I’m gonna play I’m gonna play the last track now I might have to explain what it is. It’s a band called the shire horses and they’re not a band really, but there’s.
59:07.41
Sam
So.
59:10.61
Andrew Culture
Um, a guy called Mark Radcliffe who’s a radio presenter. He produced loads of peel sessions in the early eighty s and went on in the early 90 s to have a late night show that I absolutely adored where yeah it was sort of after the evening session which was Steve loerpack and um.
59:30.83
Sam
Look back of the the butter the butter family.
59:31.33
Andrew Culture
Ah, fuck up forgot name um Stephen Mac and Joe Wiley so they were like the the indie show and then you had nassie John Pele late at night there was just whatever he fancied playing but in the middle there was Mark Riilley’s ah, sorry Mark Radcliffe’s show and. He was joined sometimes a lot of the time by a guy called Mike Mark Riley who he referred to as lard and Mark Riley was in the fall for for quite a while um until Marky Smith booted him out and the press release said. Because he was a fucking idiot or something like that it was it was just a really odd stupid reason but they they used to have bands play on the show and they they weren’t comedy at all they they did some really funny things like they did a musician’s guide to music which I’ve got on tape somewhere and I wish I still had because my wife and I still quote bits of it. Um, but they don’t know whose decision. It was but they ended up being put on daytime radio one ah in the afternoons and then very briefly. They did the breakfast show lasted about three months and they got fired but when they did the afternoon show. They had to pad it out with something so they started doing covers of. Ah, bands and Mark Riley I think he played guitar and bass in the fall I think he alternated um Mark Radcliffe is a really good drummer. He’s he’s notty whole holders drummer. So you know they are proper musicians but the production part of the the humor was that the production was so bad.
01:01:05.29
Andrew Culture
So absolutely awful and this is another track that when I played it when I was clipping it. My wife heard it in the other room and burst out laughing because the ending on this I can still remember the first time I heard the ending of this track and it it caught me by surprise it maybe laughed so much now I’ve piped it up and.
01:01:13.46
Sam
And.
01:01:24.97
Andrew Culture
Shit just to prepare you. It’s awful and I just I’ll just shut up and just press play the shy horses with your a bastard.
01:02:04.13
Andrew Culture
Ah, but ah, just at the end you see this know god I don’t there’s what needs to be explained about that hey just they they do 2 different versions sort of your gorgeous by baby bird on the same album but it’s it’s so ropey. It’s so bad. But I thought it would date really badly because this was early 2000 and they’re all covers of songs that this is like the brit pop thing. You know when that had really taken hold and becoming the establishment rather than the underground but it’s just nonsense.
01:02:38.32
Sam
And ah I that was that must have been some a and RIonRogue you know, fuck this fuck all this I’m just going to assign the stupidest funniest things I can because fucking what’s what’s fuck all this.
01:02:39.92
Andrew Culture
And that was on East-west as well. That was on a Pig label.
01:02:57.87
Andrew Culture
Um, you you paint the picture is like someone having like a Jerry Maguire type breakdown and instead of like writing a manifesto for for improving the music business got general I’ve got to sign these two silly Manchester deejays.
01:02:58.19
Sam
It’s it’s.
01:03:02.33
Sam
Yeah, yeah.
01:03:09.38
Sam
People It’s sort of its like it. There’s ah there an aspect like ah fuck it people buy it. It people buy anything fucking cans.
01:03:16.13
Andrew Culture
They people they people bought the album they they they supported some fairly big bands. They they didn’t last very long.
01:03:24.25
Sam
hey hey hey I watched a film about ah pushed a biopic about weird owl this year and I think we should do um, it’s a lot of fun. It’s stupid as hell Mark Radcliffe well
01:03:31.34
Andrew Culture
Oh what’s that like okay.
01:03:39.46
Sam
Power to him because he seems to have made his money with Harry Potter and he takes that response and Daniel Ra ah veryly I never watched Harry Potter stuff but Daniel Daniel
01:03:40.89
Andrew Culture
No Daniel Radcliffe just just to be clear. Mark Radcliffe was was was not Harry Potter
01:03:53.37
Andrew Culture
Ah, yeah, oh yeah, in that case he here it is Mark Radcliffe that guy who was just in the shy horses.
01:04:00.12
Sam
Ah, Daniel Radcliffe seems to have made a lot of money with Harry Potter and then decided that he he doesn’t you know he doesn’t need to make more money. He’ll take the Harry Potter stuff very very seriously everything else. He’ll do what he fancies apparently his girlfriend. Ah. Ah, threatened to break up with him if he didn’t take the role. Yeah ah, but so you know we’ve managed to get through an episode of this without talking about weird al or Neil Innis who was the genius behind the music of the ruffles.
01:04:17.33
Andrew Culture
Really what the weird al roll.
01:04:28.38
Andrew Culture
Our local local hero.
01:04:33.47
Sam
And I think both of you probably went didn’t go from because we thought both of them were too obvious and weird al is too obvious and Neil Linni is probably too obvious to any sort of british music fan. Um, but they write. Um they write beautiful lyrics and they write and nil and is particularly right. Amazing songs because weird out doesn’t only rewrite this stuff a little bit probably to avoid copyright laws. Ah.
01:04:56.59
Andrew Culture
Yeah Neil inus. Um the end of his life. Well for most of his life lived. Lived here lived in Ipswich wasshley and felixtove which is really really close and he used to in z we played an all day or a kind of rompy ropey scary terrifying pub. Um.
01:05:03.48
Sam
So.
01:05:16.50
Andrew Culture
And Neil Linus was the headline which unfortunately we had to go I didn’t get to see him but now he was he was proper proper regular when the bruttles reformed probably only about a year or two before he died they played at the smokehouse which is a 60 capacity venue here because 2 of the members of the band were were. Friends of mine who had like local session musicians so na and Neil Neil in this I’d be quite interesting to do an episode around him because I’d like to learn more about him I I just or probably took him for granted a bit really but honest I don’t think he would have given a shit.
01:05:46.54
Sam
Oh I Love I Love the bonzo. Do I mean again, we didn’t go anything about the bonzo but bonso are I’d say they were more of an art. Yeah, they were the and they were more probably more of an art project in some ways. Ah and you know they.
01:05:53.53
Andrew Culture
Um, bonzo dog doodarend I Just like saying that.
01:06:04.12
Sam
But they also they did comedy music but I wouldn’t call them parody um, bits and pieces of them were parody anyway. But back this trap get I mean what? Ah what a good version. Actually it of.
01:06:19.10
Andrew Culture
A conversion of of what.
01:06:23.74
Sam
Um, you’re gorgeous.
01:06:28.93
Andrew Culture
Ah, just joy its I I wouldn’t say it’s a yeah, a sitting down in a quiet evening kind of album but the first shy horse elm is worth listening to It’s it’s just it’s just such a joy at poking fun at what was becoming a scene that was. Quite swiftly disappearing up its own. Ah yeah, is it’s quite quite fun. It’s that reset thing hey look we’ve done a loop. We’ve come back to the original point you made like we’re fucking professionals or something.
01:06:54.62
Sam
Ah, yes, this is okay, our theory and should anybody care to Disprove. It is parody music is and is a necessary reset or a necessary self-reflection of scenes that probably have taken far too much cocaine. And have far too much money in them.
01:07:13.34
Andrew Culture
If if you disagree then we can’t give a shit Anyway I think we ought to end on a high point So I’m gonna say Goodbye Sam You want to say Goodbye Bunker Bye is so what you said Okay Bunker Bye Sam Bunker bye.
01:07:16.20
Sam
Fuck off bunkabye Andrew Bunkabi Andrew Goodbye but
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